What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

Cap hit won't be $27 mil as no team would give up assets to play him into the final year of his deal. Any team acquiring would come up with a long term deal. This is exactly what we did not long after we acquired him via trade.

Also consider NFL cap goes up by about $27 mil year over year. This alone offsets the cost of JG even if he were to have a $27 mil cap hit.

To say anything about Winston, this is a guy who did his eat a W clownery.

QB A

88 rating
33-44 record

QB B

99 rating
32-14 record

See the difference?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

with his injury history and his age we aren't getting a first

i think a 3rd is most likely

I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

The bold is what teams would be gambling on if they chose to wait. Of course, given the relatively weak QB draft this season, and the number of teams with really bad QB play this season, all it takes is one team that is not willing to take the risk. NYG and Carolina need help. Heineke is not the answer in Washington. Seattle may be forced to make a deal if Wilson leaves. Ryan's tank is empty in Atlanta. There are other scenarios of teams who would be willing to invest in a three-year deal for JG that would get them to a better QB draft and time to bring up the kid.

As to the other QBs you mentioned, Winston is the only one in the convo, IMO, and he will be worth some cash if he is healthy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Hill has proven he isn't the long-term answer.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Not sure what you are talking about. Winston has a .714 winning percentage as the Saints QB.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Not sure what you are talking about. Winston has a .714 winning percentage as the Saints QB.

5-2 lol

33-44 career and prior to Saints he was with a team you may be familiar with the guys who won the Super Bowl last year the Bucs and Arians lol. Somehow had a losing record with BA, Leftwich and Todd Bowles. But yeah keep talking up his 5 wins

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Not sure what you are talking about. Winston has a .714 winning percentage as the Saints QB.

5-2 lol

33-44 career and prior to Saints he was with a team you may be familiar with the guys who won the Super Bowl last year the Bucs and Arians lol. Somehow had a losing record with BA, Leftwich and Todd Bowles. But yeah keep talking up his 5 wins

I'm not talking up anything. I am merely pointing out that the Saints were successful with Jameis this season. You guys seem to think that the Saints would be a "perfect landing spot" for Jimmy, but I think its nonsense. Why gut the team to clear cap space, trade picks and bring in a QB like Jimmy when you know that you can win with Jameis?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Not sure what you are talking about. Winston has a .714 winning percentage as the Saints QB.

5-2 lol

33-44 career and prior to Saints he was with a team you may be familiar with the guys who won the Super Bowl last year the Bucs and Arians lol. Somehow had a losing record with BA, Leftwich and Todd Bowles. But yeah keep talking up his 5 wins

I'm not talking up anything. I am merely pointing out that the Saints were successful with Jameis this season. You guys seem to think that the Saints would be a "perfect landing spot" for Jimmy, but I think its nonsense. Why gut the team to clear cap space, trade picks and bring in a QB like Jimmy when you know that you can win with Jameis?

Calling 5 wins in a season "success"

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I learned in the Jimmy thread that QBs have records, and that's all that matters. So why would the Saints gut their team to clear salary, trade draft picks, only to replace a guy who has a .714 winning percentage with them?

Well technically their starter is 33-44 (Winston). If you are honestly referring to Taysom Hill I would say you are being perhaps disingenuous as he is 6-2 lol.

Not sure what you are talking about. Winston has a .714 winning percentage as the Saints QB.

5-2 lol

33-44 career and prior to Saints he was with a team you may be familiar with the guys who won the Super Bowl last year the Bucs and Arians lol. Somehow had a losing record with BA, Leftwich and Todd Bowles. But yeah keep talking up his 5 wins

I'm not talking up anything. I am merely pointing out that the Saints were successful with Jameis this season. You guys seem to think that the Saints would be a "perfect landing spot" for Jimmy, but I think its nonsense. Why gut the team to clear cap space, trade picks and bring in a QB like Jimmy when you know that you can win with Jameis?

Calling 5 wins in a season "success"

I didnt say 5 wins in a season was a success. I said the Saints had success when Jameis was their starter.