What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

Timing is everything.

poor draft class, plenty of teams with a need.

AFC:
Browns
Steelers
Colts
Texans
Broncos
Dolphins

NFC:

Panthers
Saints
Detroit
Giants
WFT

some desperate he's and GM's on the bubble.

QB's that can get you wins that may be available

N Foles
Watson

QB's that u might give another try to.

Tua
Mayfield
Wentz

I see a desperate need for someone like Jimmy and more than one desperate team that could use him.

I say a solid second.

*some desperate coaches and GM's on the bubble.

Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
*some desperate coaches and GM's on the bubble.

You can edit your previous comments, just FYI. And good post BTW.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Oh you meant ACTUALLY bet? Sure what did you have in mind? And thank you for confirming that you don't think Winston, Heinicke, Foles, or Mariota are even close to as good as Jimmy.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Oh you meant ACTUALLY bet? Sure what did you have in mind? And thank you for confirming that you don't think Winston, Heinicke, Foles, or Mariota are even close to as good as Jimmy.

If I win… you donate to charity of your choice and post proof.

If you win… I donate to charity and post proof.

Could be any amount you choose. Deal?

And I'll even say 2nd round pick or higher since I'm a nice guy. No conditional 2nd rounder though.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why gut the team to clear cap space, trade picks and bring in a QB like Jimmy when you know that you can win with Jameis?

Clearly, NO is in no position to take on Garoppolo's salary. Frankly, I was surprised by Winston's production, however, Payton is clearly a very talented coach who not only is one of the very best offensive minds in the league, he knows how to set up a roster to play complementary football. That kind of thinking turns average players into successful ones.

Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
Timing is everything.

poor draft class, plenty of teams with a need.

AFC:
Browns
Steelers
Colts
Texans
Broncos
Dolphins

NFC:

Panthers
Saints
Detroit
Giants
WFT

some desperate he's and GM's on the bubble.

QB's that can get you wins that may be available

N Foles
Watson

QB's that u might give another try to.

Tua
Mayfield
Wentz

I see a desperate need for someone like Jimmy and more than one desperate team that could use him.

I say a solid second.

Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Why gut the team to clear cap space, trade picks and bring in a QB like Jimmy when you know that you can win with Jameis?

Clearly, NO is in no position to take on Garoppolo's salary. Frankly, I was surprised by Winston's production, however, Payton is clearly a very talented coach who not only is one of the very best offensive minds in the league, he knows how to set up a roster to play complementary football. That kind of thinking turns average players into successful ones.

Agreed on all counts. And the thing with the whole cap space thing is, draft picks are exponentially more valuable to a team that is in cap trouble. A team isnt going to gut its team to get under the cap AND trade away picks to take on additional salary. That logic makes zero sense. I dont think Winston is a great QB by any means, but he had good success on that team in the 7 games he was the starter. Even with everything I just said, I dont see why they would want to bring in an injury prone QB who would likely be 5x as expensive when they had a decent amount of success with Winston. It just doesnt add up at all.

Originally posted by dj43:
Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Wouldnt you personally eliminate terrible teams from the list also? This is just personal opinion, but if I was the GM of an awful team, I would never trade away draft assets to bring on a QB like Jimmy. The Lions, Panthers, Texans and Giants would be teams that I would take off the list for sure.

Then there are other teams that have a QB that Jimmy would not be a marked improvement over. Teams to me that would qualify in this category would be the Dolphins and the Colts. If the Dolphins make a decision to move on from Tua, I could see it. I just dont think they will as he had a recent stretch of really good football. I personally think the Colts is a laughable suggestion, as at best the two QBs are on the same level (I personally prefer Wentz).

So for me, that leaves Washington, Pittsburgh, Denver and Cleveland. Pittsburgh makes the most sense to me in terms of a good team that needs a respectable QB, but does Jimmy really fit the identity of that team? I'd say no, but maybe. Washington would be an interesting one, and makes sense to me. They have a pretty good defense, and might be a QB away from being a competitive team. Denver makes some sense, but even with Jimmy I think that team is at best the 3rd best team in the division, with what would be the 3rd or 4th best QB in the division. Cleveland also makes sense, strictly because I think Baker is buns. But I dont know that the Browns share that sentiment. I could easily see them giving him one last year.

So really out of that giant list, it comes down to a small handful of teams.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Ninerlakerdodger:
Timing is everything.

poor draft class, plenty of teams with a need.

AFC:
Browns
Steelers
Colts
Texans
Broncos
Dolphins

NFC:

Panthers
Saints
Detroit
Giants
WFT

some desperate he's and GM's on the bubble.

QB's that can get you wins that may be available

N Foles
Watson

QB's that u might give another try to.

Tua
Mayfield
Wentz

I see a desperate need for someone like Jimmy and more than one desperate team that could use him.

I say a solid second.

Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Trade Jimmy to NO for one of their CBs