What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Trade Jimmy to NO for one of their CBs

We could trade Jimmy for every single one of their cornerbacks, and the Saints would be worse off financially than they already are.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Oh you meant ACTUALLY bet? Sure what did you have in mind? And thank you for confirming that you don't think Winston, Heinicke, Foles, or Mariota are even close to as good as Jimmy.

If I win… you donate to charity of your choice and post proof.

If you win… I donate to charity and post proof.

Could be any amount you choose. Deal?

Sure. $100?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
And I'll even say 2nd round pick or higher since I'm a nice guy. No conditional 2nd rounder though.

2nd round pick or higher. I'm even okay with more than just a 2nd; meaning a conditional 1st or a 2nd and a player or a 2nd and an additional pick. So if it's just a 2nd or less, you win.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Wouldnt you personally eliminate terrible teams from the list also? This is just personal opinion, but if I was the GM of an awful team, I would never trade away draft assets to bring on a QB like Jimmy. The Lions, Panthers, Texans and Giants would be teams that I would take off the list for sure.

Then there are other teams that have a QB that Jimmy would not be a marked improvement over. Teams to me that would qualify in this category would be the Dolphins and the Colts. If the Dolphins make a decision to move on from Tua, I could see it. I just dont think they will as he had a recent stretch of really good football. I personally think the Colts is a laughable suggestion, as at best the two QBs are on the same level (I personally prefer Wentz).

So for me, that leaves Washington, Pittsburgh, Denver and Cleveland. Pittsburgh makes the most sense to me in terms of a good team that needs a respectable QB, but does Jimmy really fit the identity of that team? I'd say no, but maybe. Washington would be an interesting one, and makes sense to me. They have a pretty good defense, and might be a QB away from being a competitive team. Denver makes some sense, but even with Jimmy I think that team is at best the 3rd best team in the division, with what would be the 3rd or 4th best QB in the division. Cleveland also makes sense, strictly because I think Baker is buns. But I dont know that the Browns share that sentiment. I could easily see them giving him one last year.

So really out of that giant list, it comes down to a small handful of teams.

Fair point.

It depends on how they view the upcoming QB draft field. I recently read someone suggest there are no QBs they would take higher than the mid-late second round at best. If that is the case, I don't see any of the teams you listed that would expend that pick on a QB that would have little chance of being any better than what they have.

Of course, the other part of such a deal would be whether or not Jimmy would agree to go there. I don't see Lynch just dumping him to a trash team against Jimmy's will.

I could see the Dolphins becoming a player. I have never felt the often over-the-top adulation for Tua. He has had a few flashes but nothing consistent. Hence, the New England connection comes into play with Belichick counseling his former lieutenant to make JG his QB.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Wouldnt you personally eliminate terrible teams from the list also? This is just personal opinion, but if I was the GM of an awful team, I would never trade away draft assets to bring on a QB like Jimmy. The Lions, Panthers, Texans and Giants would be teams that I would take off the list for sure.

Then there are other teams that have a QB that Jimmy would not be a marked improvement over. Teams to me that would qualify in this category would be the Dolphins and the Colts. If the Dolphins make a decision to move on from Tua, I could see it. I just dont think they will as he had a recent stretch of really good football. I personally think the Colts is a laughable suggestion, as at best the two QBs are on the same level (I personally prefer Wentz).

So for me, that leaves Washington, Pittsburgh, Denver and Cleveland. Pittsburgh makes the most sense to me in terms of a good team that needs a respectable QB, but does Jimmy really fit the identity of that team? I'd say no, but maybe. Washington would be an interesting one, and makes sense to me. They have a pretty good defense, and might be a QB away from being a competitive team. Denver makes some sense, but even with Jimmy I think that team is at best the 3rd best team in the division, with what would be the 3rd or 4th best QB in the division. Cleveland also makes sense, strictly because I think Baker is buns. But I dont know that the Browns share that sentiment. I could easily see them giving him one last year.

So really out of that giant list, it comes down to a small handful of teams.

Fair point.

It depends on how they view the upcoming QB draft field. I recently read someone suggest there are no QBs they would take higher than the mid-late second round at best. If that is the case, I don't see any of the teams you listed that would expend that pick on a QB that would have little chance of being any better than what they have.

Of course, the other part of such a deal would be whether or not Jimmy would agree to go there. I don't see Lynch just dumping him to a trash team against Jimmy's will.

I could see the Dolphins becoming a player. I have never felt the often over-the-top adulation for Tua. He has had a few flashes but nothing consistent. Hence, the New England connection comes into play with Belichick counseling his former lieutenant to make JG his QB.

From my understanding, Jimmy no longer has an option of declining a trade to a destination he doesnt want to go to.

Tua is very inconsistent. He had a 6 or so game stretch where he played pretty good football. Limited the turnovers, completed a high percentage of passes (if this is something you value), and the Dolphins were winning. I hear you though. I just personally think the Dolphins are going to give him one more year, unless a Watson, Wilson or Rodgers inexplicably land in their laps. I think Jimmy is a little bit better of a QB than Tua is today, but I dont think Tua is developed yet. Maybe he gets one more year to show marked improvement? I think I would give him one more year if I was the Dolphins GM.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:
Good post.

The only team I would eliminate from the list would be New Orleans, based largely on cap room. NO is deep underwater for 2022. -$62M just to get level. They will have a major purge this off-season.

Wouldnt you personally eliminate terrible teams from the list also? This is just personal opinion, but if I was the GM of an awful team, I would never trade away draft assets to bring on a QB like Jimmy. The Lions, Panthers, Texans and Giants would be teams that I would take off the list for sure.

Then there are other teams that have a QB that Jimmy would not be a marked improvement over. Teams to me that would qualify in this category would be the Dolphins and the Colts. If the Dolphins make a decision to move on from Tua, I could see it. I just dont think they will as he had a recent stretch of really good football. I personally think the Colts is a laughable suggestion, as at best the two QBs are on the same level (I personally prefer Wentz).

So for me, that leaves Washington, Pittsburgh, Denver and Cleveland. Pittsburgh makes the most sense to me in terms of a good team that needs a respectable QB, but does Jimmy really fit the identity of that team? I'd say no, but maybe. Washington would be an interesting one, and makes sense to me. They have a pretty good defense, and might be a QB away from being a competitive team. Denver makes some sense, but even with Jimmy I think that team is at best the 3rd best team in the division, with what would be the 3rd or 4th best QB in the division. Cleveland also makes sense, strictly because I think Baker is buns. But I dont know that the Browns share that sentiment. I could easily see them giving him one last year.

So really out of that giant list, it comes down to a small handful of teams.

Fair point.

It depends on how they view the upcoming QB draft field. I recently read someone suggest there are no QBs they would take higher than the mid-late second round at best. If that is the case, I don't see any of the teams you listed that would expend that pick on a QB that would have little chance of being any better than what they have.

Of course, the other part of such a deal would be whether or not Jimmy would agree to go there. I don't see Lynch just dumping him to a trash team against Jimmy's will.

I could see the Dolphins becoming a player. I have never felt the often over-the-top adulation for Tua. He has had a few flashes but nothing consistent. Hence, the New England connection comes into play with Belichick counseling his former lieutenant to make JG his QB.

From my understanding, Jimmy no longer has an option of declining a trade to a destination he doesnt want to go to.

Tua is very inconsistent. He had a 6 or so game stretch where he played pretty good football. Limited the turnovers, completed a high percentage of passes (if this is something you value), and the Dolphins were winning. I hear you though. I just personally think the Dolphins are going to give him one more year, unless a Watson, Wilson or Rodgers inexplicably land in their laps. I think Jimmy is a little bit better of a QB than Tua is today, but I dont think Tua is developed yet. Maybe he gets one more year to show marked improvement? I think I would give him one more year if I was the Dolphins GM.

You may be correct about the trade option. I just don't see Lynch dumping him into a dumpster fire like Carolina or NYG. That having been said, I believe those two teams are exactly the situation that is looking for a more stable QB play.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Oh you meant ACTUALLY bet? Sure what did you have in mind? And thank you for confirming that you don't think Winston, Heinicke, Foles, or Mariota are even close to as good as Jimmy.

If I win… you donate to charity of your choice and post proof.

If you win… I donate to charity and post proof.

Could be any amount you choose. Deal?

Sure. $100?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
And I'll even say 2nd round pick or higher since I'm a nice guy. No conditional 2nd rounder though.

2nd round pick or higher. I'm even okay with more than just a 2nd; meaning a conditional 1st or a 2nd and a player or a 2nd and an additional pick. So if it's just a 2nd or less, you win.

Sure then. Higher than a second. Meaning even a 2nd and a 7th or a player and you win.

Deal.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

When you start comparing Jimmy to Winston, Mariota, Nick Foles, and Bridgewater… he's not going to be a better value than any of them with his current contract and the picks needed to acquire him.

Garoppolo is markedly better than any of those guys. His contract will be negotiated. As to trade value, you have to consider the draft slot it would take to replace him. In that case, though there is an occasional exception, you will not replace a healthy Garoppolo's production with a 4th or lower draft pick, IMO.

FTR, I hope Lance turns out to be worth the cost, and that JG can be traded to offset a portion of Lance's very high cost.

What I'm saying is in a nutshell I would want Jimmy over them but I don't think he's markedly better to warrant any trade plus the cap hit of 27m. There's no guarantee Jimmy would agree to restructure and even if he does agree to one you would have to commit multiple years to him instead of a one year rental that the other players I mentioned could do.

With Jimmy's latest injury and having Lance in the building we're no longer in a position of power because teams know there's a good chance we could be forced to cut him.

Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio before his injury which is much better than Jimmy + cheap + no picks. He's also lead the league in passing yards (and ints) but there's still some raw talent there.

Foles actually won a Super Bowl, bigger arm, and would be very cheap + no picks.

Mariota has all the tools Jimmy has and more IMO and would be much cheaper + no picks.

As for the bolded, that's what I'm hoping for too. For the sake of the team I hope I'm wrong and we get something good for Jimmy. That would be awesome. There's no reason to root for anything else… I just don't see it happening sadly.

$27M will be the 11th highest salary next season, and probably 15th or lower after that. His next contract will be worth more than $27M per season. And we'll get at least a 2nd/conditional 1st for him. The JG haters on this board must not watch other teams because he's absolutely better than 15 other starting QB's, and when healthy is in the top 10-12.

I would love to make a bet with you on that trade compensation.

And again, you kinda proved my point. "Better than 15 other QBs" means he's at least 17th best in the NFL but making potentially 11th highest in salary and you have to trade for him and he's injured right now and injured often.

It makes me wonder if some of you watch the rest of the NFL when saying teams like the Saints and WFT would drastically improve obtaining Jimmy when Winston had a 14-3 TD/INT ratio and Heinicke has more total yards than Jimmy and more passing touchdowns. Their numbers are almost identical.

Would you like to bet if JG, Winston, or Heinicke make more in salary next season? I'll take JG and you take Winston and Heinike, since you like them so much. Lol.

Way to completely miss everything I said about believing Jimmy is the better player. Lol

No…. You said we would get a conditional first.

You backtracking now?

Not backtracking at all, I still think that will be the compensation. He doesn't have the weight of huge guaranteed money, so that will be attractive. And his game take a giant poop on guys like Winston and Heinicke. But you know that, so not sure why you keep bringing them up. And then Foles and Mariota? Lol give me a break, you can't be serious with these comparisons.

So… you're not backtracking but you won't bet me on the conditional first round pick trade compensation you're so confident about?

Oh you meant ACTUALLY bet? Sure what did you have in mind? And thank you for confirming that you don't think Winston, Heinicke, Foles, or Mariota are even close to as good as Jimmy.

If I win… you donate to charity of your choice and post proof.

If you win… I donate to charity and post proof.

Could be any amount you choose. Deal?

Sure. $100?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
And I'll even say 2nd round pick or higher since I'm a nice guy. No conditional 2nd rounder though.

2nd round pick or higher. I'm even okay with more than just a 2nd; meaning a conditional 1st or a 2nd and a player or a 2nd and an additional pick. So if it's just a 2nd or less, you win.

Sure then. Higher than a second. Meaning even a 2nd and a 7th or a player and you win.

Deal.

Deal. DM me so I remember. At some point one of my computer updates took away the ability to get notifications of responses.

Originally posted by Furlow:
2nd round pick or higher. I'm even okay with more than just a 2nd; meaning a conditional 1st or a 2nd and a player or a 2nd and an additional pick. So if it's just a 2nd or less, you win.

I'm happy with a 5th.

Would fans prefer a 2022 2nd, or a future 1st?

Originally posted by Butter:
Would fans prefer a 2022 2nd, or a future 1st?

Not really a fair question as you'd know the slotting of the 2022 2nd by now. Easily you'd take the 1st.

I disagree:

Panthers are not a Dumpster, they have a good D and are in need of a good QB and O line to be competitive in a division that is a year or two away from significant change. Saints have QB and cap issues, Atlanta is a mess on D and Matty Ice is getting up there as is Brady.
plus Scott Fitterer the Panthers GM is having his first stint at GM, he was head of player personnel at the Hawks before…. Next year will be his 3rd year in charge and he has a roster that has under achieved again. What he does with the QB situation for next year is big, I doubt it's Darnold or a draft pick. Clock is ticking. Draft O line and stick a steady veteran QB to play behind them. Easier than finding good Olinemen in free agency and drafting a solid QB in the draft at #6

Giants might trade up in the draft and take a shot at a top rated QB and try building with a rookie QB again, but they can build some nice pieces around Jimmy with their draft capital. They currently have the 5th and 8th pick.

Elway and Fangio are a QB away, we have a history in dealing with Elway who has tried everything to get a decent QB in Denver without any luck.

Steelers are the obvious pick.

Browns are interesting as they are stacked with talent and want to win now.

All these teams have upside and the potential to peek Jimmy's interest.

Thats 5 teams. Only need 2 to compete to get one to overpay.

Im sticking with a solid 2nd rounder

Steelers will be in no man's land in the draft.

Vikings may also he looking if Cousins goes.

Jets, Giants, Texans, Saints, Browns, Broncos and Panthers could also be looking.

There'll be a market.

the 49ers could trade for him.

Got to wonder what affect the thumb will have on his market.

Originally posted by Zachary:
Y'all underestimate him too much. A guaranteed starter, no questions asked. Wins games, clutch, has playoff experience, and good age range.

teams that are "a quarterback away" would absolutely offer at LEAST a second rounder. Broncos, Panthers, Steelers, Washington.

Or teams like Detroit, Houston, etc that just need to start getting some stability.

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