What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Giedi:
Missing the playoffs definitely will hurt, but it's pretty much Jimmy's fault. Wait! Before the Tomato's, what I mean is that Jimmy always seems to be hurt. In the Patriots he was hurt on the second game, and with us, it's every other year he's out of commission. If he was healthy in the Titan's game, we win that one. Unfortunately he got hurt in this (I think) first half of the Titan's game and in the 2nd half, is when the interceptions started happening. Now we have to have Trey step in when, maybe, he's not yet quite ready - but it is what it is. I'm kind of glad ShanaLynch had the balls to let Jimmy go and get Trey. If anything, Trey has more pocket awareness and hopefully will avoid those significant injuries that Jimmy seemingly was never able to avoid.

But this injury might win the prize and really should be the final straw. I am not saying his thumb injury is worse than his ankle and knee issues but those came earlier in the season. Not like you are gonna go any where with Nick or CJ but you can try to work thru it.

This injury comes at the end of the season where the final game is required to advance (minus some freaky help). It's BS. And I do feel bad for the guy but every year same old crap. I don't know what might be worse. Jimmy coming in and losing it with his bum thumb and then screw it and good bye or let Trey come in. I think he can do it but I firmly am pissed if we lose that will give him too much offseason to stew. You can't blame the season on Trey if he comes in and loses. Either situation sucks.

But Jimmy, ehh, time to go bud. I would give it to Trey and hope he comes out smelling like a rose.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by plummerfan:
Why was Jimmy G not helping him out? I got disgusted with him having conversations when the camera was on him instead of mentoring and giving Lance advice each and every series.

Strange you say that. I too noticed when the camera was panned on Trey a couple of times Jimmy was off to the side laughing it up with other teammates. I thought the same. why isn't he over there lifting up Trey. Especially after the snap from Kyle to Trey.
Look at Jimmy in the background of this video.

Yeah, that clip was sort of it for me. Reminded me of some high school clicky thing. Not sure how they are behind the scenes, but why the f**k is Jimmy even on the sidelines if he can't play and won't help?

It's 20-7 with 3 minutes left. It's time to dab it up and call it a W.

Throughout the game when our sideline was on camera, I didn't see Jimmy talking to Trey once. Would have been nice to see them looking at plays together and talking about what each sees. Wasn't just there at the end.

Oh. I thought I saw Lance, Jimmy, and Sudfeld on the bench looking over plays during the midst of the game.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Missing the playoffs definitely will hurt, but it's pretty much Jimmy's fault. Wait! Before the Tomato's, what I mean is that Jimmy always seems to be hurt. In the Patriots he was hurt on the second game, and with us, it's every other year he's out of commission. If he was healthy in the Titan's game, we win that one. Unfortunately he got hurt in this (I think) first half of the Titan's game and in the 2nd half, is when the interceptions started happening. Now we have to have Trey step in when, maybe, he's not yet quite ready - but it is what it is. I'm kind of glad ShanaLynch had the balls to let Jimmy go and get Trey. If anything, Trey has more pocket awareness and hopefully will avoid those significant injuries that Jimmy seemingly was never able to avoid.

But this injury might win the prize and really should be the final straw. I am not saying his thumb injury is worse than his ankle and knee issues but those came earlier in the season. Not like you are gonna go any where with Nick or CJ but you can try to work thru it.

This injury comes at the end of the season where the final game is required to advance (minus some freaky help). It's BS. And I do feel bad for the guy but every year same old crap. I don't know what might be worse. Jimmy coming in and losing it with his bum thump and then screw it and good bye or let Trey come in. I think he can do it but I firmly am pissed if we lose that will give him too much offseason to stew. You can't blame the season on Trey if he comes in and loses. Either situation sucks.

But Jimmy, ehh, time to go bud. I would give it to Trey and hope he comes out smelling like a rose.

Injuries seem to be the name of the game in the Shanahan era. It's also not limited to offense, but also defense, and special teams. I'm kind of resigned to the fact that something (scheme, type of player, or the kind of medical team) is off kilter and we're going to be the most injured team in the NFL year in and year out. But I like the fact that they invested in Trey and also paid Jimmy - at least for this year. So in effect, even though Jimmy is hurt (predictably) we now *do* still have a legit shot at beating the Rams and getting into the playoffs. If it was only Jimmy and Nate Sudfeld, kiss the playoffs goodbye and just wait till next year. But with Trey, with some luck, we might still beat LA. Now *next* year - without Jimmy - that's going to be another issue at least at the QB position. What if Trey is injured, who will be his backup? But that's *next* year thank god.

Originally posted by BMoore56:
It's going to be a 2nd rounder.

DEN
CAR
WAS
NO
NYG
PIT

those are teams I think will be in the market for a QB. Someone is going to send a 2nd

My friend thinks Jimmy will end up on his Redskins.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
9 years ago this same thread wouldve never said 2 2nds for Alex. We just dont know what his true valuation is.

So I just did some math on this.

Alex Smith in 2013 made 7.52% of his team's cap space @ 9.25m.

Jimmy G in 2022 would be 13.21% of his team's cap space @27.5m.

Both were around 11th highest paid at their position.

I think the key differences is that Alex Smith was the first overall pick, I believe younger when traded, and routinely had coaching and offensive system changes, and didn't have too many injury concerns.

Jimmy G played behind Tom Brady and had more stability in SF than Smith did in his overall tenure.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by BMoore56:
It's going to be a 2nd rounder.

DEN
CAR
WAS
NO
NYG
PIT

those are teams I think will be in the market for a QB. Someone is going to send a 2nd

My friend thinks Jimmy will end up on his Redskins.

Player A
Total yards: 3,609
Total TDs: 21
Turnovers lost: 16

Player B
Total yards: 3,544
Total TDs: 22
Total Turnovers lost: 14

Those are two stat lines for Heinicke and Jimmy G.

I'm not saying I would rather have Heinicke but certainly Jimmy was in a much more favorable situation and their stats are similar.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by BMoore56:
It's going to be a 2nd rounder.

DEN
CAR
WAS
NO
NYG
PIT

those are teams I think will be in the market for a QB. Someone is going to send a 2nd

My friend thinks Jimmy will end up on his Redskins.

Player A
Total yards: 3,609
Total TDs: 21
Turnovers lost: 16

Player B
Total yards: 3,544
Total TDs: 22
Total Turnovers lost: 14

Those are two stat lines for Heinicke and Jimmy G.

I'm not saying I would rather have Heinicke but certainly Jimmy was in a much more favorable situation and their stats are similar.

Well Heinicke may or may not be available. Also check this out:

JG

99 rating
30-14 record

Heinicke

84 rating
6-9 record

Really big difference here. Also when you take a team to 13-3 and the Super Bowl, having that on your resume helps. Heinicke has nothing comparable.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by BMoore56:
It's going to be a 2nd rounder.

DEN
CAR
WAS
NO
NYG
PIT

those are teams I think will be in the market for a QB. Someone is going to send a 2nd

My friend thinks Jimmy will end up on his Redskins.

Player A
Total yards: 3,609
Total TDs: 21
Turnovers lost: 16

Player B
Total yards: 3,544
Total TDs: 22
Total Turnovers lost: 14

Those are two stat lines for Heinicke and Jimmy G.

I'm not saying I would rather have Heinicke but certainly Jimmy was in a much more favorable situation and their stats are similar.

Well Heinicke may or may not be available. Also check this out:

JG

99 rating
30-14 record

Heinicke

84 rating
6-9 record

Really big difference here. Also when you take a team to 13-3 and the Super Bowl, having that on your resume helps. Heinicke has nothing comparable.

You know what else isn't comparable?

Player A
$27M cap hit
1+ draft picks needed to acquire

Player B
$2.8M cap hit
0 draft picks needed to acquire

Look, this is all just a guessing game from any of us. No one knows what the front office in Washington thinks of Heinicke or what they think of Jimmy. We all know Jimmy is the better QB. But something that a lot of you fail to acknowledge is that this isnt just a who is better comparison. There is A LOT more that goes into it.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Throughout the game when our sideline was on camera, I didn't see Jimmy talking to Trey once. Would have been nice to see them looking at plays together and talking about what each sees. Wasn't just there at the end.

young was always there yapping at elvis!

Originally posted by Waterbear:
So I just did some math on this.

Alex Smith in 2013 made 7.52% of his team's cap space @ 9.25m.

Jimmy G in 2022 would be 13.21% of his team's cap space @27.5m.

Both were around 11th highest paid at their position.

I think the key differences is that Alex Smith was the first overall pick, I believe younger when traded, and routinely had coaching and offensive system changes, and didn't have too many injury concerns.

Jimmy G played behind Tom Brady and had more stability in SF than Smith did in his overall tenure.

Alex was 29 if I remember.

Jimmy has been a better qb overall than Alex was here. Lot of revisionist history on Alex in 2011 but he wasnt anything special at all. That offense was all field goals. Alex aslo had the shoulder that seemed to mess up 2 seasons of his.

So it comes down to how do you value the skillset Jimmy has and weigh that against the injury issues and flaws. The team that trades for him will be thinking they have the other pieces just need the QB.

It's anywhere between mid round value and no value.

Teams understand that he will be cut. He makes a lot of money, has injury issues and on a loaded team with a mastermind coach he performs average at best. He is a bad fit for teams who have vertical weapons and for those who have bad pass block olines that dont have a great run game. Most teams arent as run-heavy as the 49ers.
I just don't see any teams jumping in. As a reclamation project, he makes too much $, otherwise I could see someone wanting him for a mid round.

In short, if Im a GM and look objectively at Jimmy and ask what he is, my answer is he is an injury-prone statue vet qb who is a "game manager" who makes many mistakes and can only throw short-to-intermediate middle area of the field. There's no way I pay 27 million for that. Most NFL teams air it out more than they run the ball, and Jimmy dropping back 30+ times a game is not a recipe for success. Hell, you look at teams who have a near equal run/pass split and you'll find that most of them have QBs generating a lot of rush yardage. You put Jimmy on a team that isnt very good and chances are he'll need to air it out when bad teams are behind. And good run teams will likely want a mobile QB. The Niners are basically an outlier in todays NFL because they have a great run game with an immobile QB.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by plummerfan:
Why was Jimmy G not helping him out? I got disgusted with him having conversations when the camera was on him instead of mentoring and giving Lance advice each and every series.

Strange you say that. I too noticed when the camera was panned on Trey a couple of times Jimmy was off to the side laughing it up with other teammates. I thought the same. why isn't he over there lifting up Trey. Especially after the snap from Kyle to Trey.
Look at Jimmy in the background of this video.

Yeah, that clip was sort of it for me. Reminded me of some high school clicky thing. Not sure how they are behind the scenes, but why the f**k is Jimmy even on the sidelines if he can't play and won't help?

It's 20-7 with 3 minutes left. It's time to dab it up and call it a W.

Throughout the game when our sideline was on camera, I didn't see Jimmy talking to Trey once. Would have been nice to see them looking at plays together and talking about what each sees. Wasn't just there at the end.

Oh. I thought I saw Lance, Jimmy, and Sudfeld on the bench looking over plays during the midst of the game.

Yeah, I saw it too. We also have a qb coach and Kyle. It's not like Jimmy is gonna be able to explain things any more than those 2 guys.

I'm guessing SF could get a 3rd for him. He's gonna have to redo his contract wherever he goes and that might be an issue when it comes to trading him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm guessing SF could get a 3rd for him. He's gonna have to redo his contract wherever he goes and that might be an issue when it comes to trading him.

His contract is nothing to us as snip snip cut cut gone..

It's an awesome year for the cap and us. 9ers are not going to quibble over a contract or salary or other issue that is simply not our problem.

It's as simple as audios and thanks

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm guessing SF could get a 3rd for him. He's gonna have to redo his contract wherever he goes and that might be an issue when it comes to trading him.

This.