What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You'll have to explain how with KS we are 1-10 in 2017 pre JG and 5-0 after. I'll wait. He did exactly what by your own words you say would be "significant". He joined a sad sack club and rattled off W after W.

This has been explained ad nauseam, but you choose to ignore it. You can wait forever if you are just going to ignore when people explain it.

Not sure how it's been explained ad nauseum. I recall one poster saying the 1-10 pre-JG 2017 49ers were a good team just unlucky. The argument was basically it was coincidence that the team won with JG and lost prior to JG. I wasn't really active here in 2017 so maybe I missed all the explanations that wrote off and downplayed all JG's 2017 results with the club. To me it seems obviously one club pre-JG in 2017 and a totally different club post JG.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You'll have to explain how with KS we are 1-10 in 2017 pre JG and 5-0 after. I'll wait. He did exactly what by your own words you say would be "significant". He joined a sad sack club and rattled off W after W.

This has been explained ad nauseam, but you choose to ignore it. You can wait forever if you are just going to ignore when people explain it.

Not sure how it's been explained ad nauseum. I recall one poster saying the 1-10 pre-JG 2017 49ers were a good team just unlucky. The argument was basically it was coincidence that the team won with JG and lost prior to JG. I wasn't really active here in 2017 so maybe I missed all the explanations that wrote off and downplayed all JG's 2017 results with the club. To me it seems obviously one club pre-JG in 2017 and a totally different club post JG.

Its been explained over and over again. Not just in 2017. But literally every year since. And no, the argument was not just that it was a coincidence.

We were starting Brian Hoyer at QB. Brian Hoyer! We lost five games in a row by either 2 or 3 points. Dropping even the worst starter level QB onto the team instead of a QB who was hurting the team on a regular basis would have turned all of those into wins. We were not nearly as bad as the 1-10 would indicate.

That is why we were able to win with Jimmy. Because he is substantially better than Brian Hoyer. And our team was 2 or 3 points a game away from being a 6-4 team pre-Jimmy.

I swear this shouldnt be that difficult. No one has ever claimed that Jimmy wasnt substantially better than Hoyer.

If he starts on Sunday and wins does it improve his stock?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
If he starts on Sunday and wins does it improve his stock?

It cannot hurt to have a clutch win getting your team into the playoffs on your resume. Another playoff win (or two+) would certainly help his stock as well.....

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You'll have to explain how with KS we are 1-10 in 2017 pre JG and 5-0 after. I'll wait. He did exactly what by your own words you say would be "significant". He joined a sad sack club and rattled off W after W.

This has been explained ad nauseam, but you choose to ignore it. You can wait forever if you are just going to ignore when people explain it.

Not sure how it's been explained ad nauseum. I recall one poster saying the 1-10 pre-JG 2017 49ers were a good team just unlucky. The argument was basically it was coincidence that the team won with JG and lost prior to JG. I wasn't really active here in 2017 so maybe I missed all the explanations that wrote off and downplayed all JG's 2017 results with the club. To me it seems obviously one club pre-JG in 2017 and a totally different club post JG.

Its been explained over and over again. Not just in 2017. But literally every year since. And no, the argument was not just that it was a coincidence.

We were starting Brian Hoyer at QB. Brian Hoyer! We lost five games in a row by either 2 or 3 points. Dropping even the worst starter level QB onto the team instead of a QB who was hurting the team on a regular basis would have turned all of those into wins. We were not nearly as bad as the 1-10 would indicate.

That is why we were able to win with Jimmy. Because he is substantially better than Brian Hoyer. And our team was 2 or 3 points a game away from being a 6-4 team pre-Jimmy.

I swear this shouldnt be that difficult. No one has ever claimed that Jimmy wasnt substantially better than Hoyer.

Realize this whole convo started cuz a poster said if JG went to a losing club and started winning that would be a story, in his words it would be significant. Newsflash everyone, it already happened. Even your explanation admits that JG improving the QB room is the reason the winning started.

Again we'll see this offseason the demand for JG vs Dalton, Darnold, Tyrod, Winston, Heinicke all these guys I've heard are on his level. Bridgewater put him in there too. Should be interesting.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Thats all I'm saying. I don't see that as a convincing argument unless Jimmy had a great record and played for the Jets for example. Now that would be something significant to me.

Ah, so if JG joined a crap franchise with a losing history and had a great record it would mean something to you. What if I told you this already happened? He joined a team that was 2-24. I repeat, he joined a club that won 2 and lost 24 of its last 26 games

He immediately turned it around.

Thanks for helping me on this one.

Is Shanahan not one of the best play callers in football? Did we not have a top 2 rushing attack in 2019? A top 5 defense? An all world weapon in Kittle?

I know you're being cute but that's what I mean.

If he had a winning record while his team was terrible running the ball or had an awful defense… then you'd have something.

You'll have to explain how with KS we are 1-10 in 2017 pre JG and 5-0 after. I'll wait. He did exactly what by your own words you say would be "significant". He joined a sad sack club and rattled off W after W.

Unless you started watching the 49ers in 2018 you saw exactly what happened and continue to be naive on purpose. This argument is as old and tired as they come.

Jimmy g is much better than Brian Hoyer, Mullens, and Beathard. lol that's what this means. Jimmy is a top 15-20 QB and those guys are career backups at best.

In 2017 we broke records with how many games we lost by a single score.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2017/10/15/16479412/49ers-washington-final-score-recap-record-loss-margin-week-6

This team just needed a quality starter to get over the hump to start winning games and they got one. Jimmy was the icing on the cake but he was never the cake. The cake is and probably will always be Kyle Shanahan's running game and the defense.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its been explained over and over again. Not just in 2017. But literally every year since. And no, the argument was not just that it was a coincidence.

We were starting Brian Hoyer at QB. Brian Hoyer! We lost five games in a row by either 2 or 3 points. Dropping even the worst starter level QB onto the team instead of a QB who was hurting the team on a regular basis would have turned all of those into wins. We were not nearly as bad as the 1-10 would indicate.

That is why we were able to win with Jimmy. Because he is substantially better than Brian Hoyer. And our team was 2 or 3 points a game away from being a 6-4 team pre-Jimmy.

I swear this shouldnt be that difficult. No one has ever claimed that Jimmy wasnt substantially better than Hoyer.

He's also substantially better than CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens. It's very difficult for any team to win with abysmal QB play.

Second round at the very best. Very very best.

The way I understand it is I got JG in the offseason sweepstakes, SWH is going with Winston and Waterbear is going with Heinicke. Place your bets

edit: I'll put The Dynasty down for Bridgewater

Originally posted by lamontb:
The steelers have great weapons on the outside. Why would they trade for a qb that can't get them the ball? Same with Denver. I don't see either team as a landing spot for Jimmy. Texans or Browns.

Browns??? Sorry don't see them giving up on Mayfield.

Originally posted by communist:
Browns??? Sorry don't see them giving up on Mayfield.

I do. GM didn't draft him.

Question is can they find a taker. 25 mil is a bargain compared to 19 for Baker.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The way I understand it is I got JG in the offseason sweepstakes, SWH is going with Winston and Waterbear is going with Heinicke. Place your bets

edit: I'll put The Dynasty down for Bridgewater

Here's the problem right here.

Originally posted by communist:
Browns??? Sorry don't see them giving up on Mayfield.

I could see KS being a Baker guy with the quick release but don't see him fitting here with TL.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The way I understand it is I got JG in the offseason sweepstakes, SWH is going with Winston and Waterbear is going with Heinicke. Place your bets

edit: I'll put The Dynasty down for Bridgewater

Here's the problem right here.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The way I understand it is I got JG in the offseason sweepstakes, SWH is going with Winston and Waterbear is going with Heinicke. Place your bets

edit: I'll put The Dynasty down for Bridgewater

Here's the problem right here.

We either all agree that JG is better than these guys in which case I have no idea why you both are arguing with me every step of the way. Or we don't agree. I've seen both you prop up the guys mentioned above. Time to put up or kindly be quiet plz.