What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

I don't see Jimmy going to a poor team. Someone said he no longer has a no-trade clause, but he doesn't have to negotiate a new contract either. No one is going to give up much for the right to get Jimmy for one year.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

Jimmy is a starter that had shown he can win playoff games in this league. That had tremendous value for teams that don't have one and are a Garopollo away from making the postseason

Some coaches need to make the postseason to keep employment as well but thing is lots of coaches are getting fired as clubs are trying to make a run at Harbaugh and most clubs about to hire new coaches likely want to draft their own guy

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

For teams drafting in the second half of the first round, what do you think the chances are of a team drafting someone better than Jimmy?

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

For teams drafting in the second half of the first round, what do you think the chances are of a team drafting someone better than Jimmy?

O

The poll has changed a bit, now it looks like 2nd / conditional 1st is gaining momentum.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
The poll has changed a bit, now it looks like 2nd / conditional 1st is gaining momentum.

Hell if he keeps winning we may be looking to consider keeping him

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
The poll has changed a bit, now it looks like 2nd / conditional 1st is gaining momentum.

Hell if he keeps winning we may be looking to consider keeping him

The off-season will be so much fun lol

The firing of Vic Fangio in Denver has increased Garoppolo's immediate trade value. The Broncos have a good young team with a very good defense and plenty of offensive talent that is ready to win now. All they are lacking is a QB.

After three years of a defensive HC, they will be looking for an offensive mind this time. It will be much easier to attract a top-level HC if they have a QB in the house. Garoppolo is perfect for them. He wins big games. He has proven he is great in the locker room. With a sub-par QB field in the draft this spring, they will have to wait at least two years to draft a QB or trade. They have plenty of draft picks and cap space available. This is a perfect match. A 1st and a 4th will be the starting point for negotiations...and it might get even sweeter.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
The poll has changed a bit, now it looks like 2nd / conditional 1st is gaining momentum.

3rd round pick with 1st round conditional upside

That and the cap savings will be valuable. I appreciate Jimmy, his character, his leadership and his grittiness. But once the trade up for Lance was made the die was cast. That plan works because we will (hopefully) recoup some draft capital by trading Jimmy, and because we will have 4 years with a cheap starting QB allowing us to free agency to make up for the lack of 1st round picks. If we keep Jimmy, then we don't have cap space or first round picks. And that's a bad combo.

Just because I'm advocating getting whatever can for him in trade (even if it's less than a 3rd) does not mean I think he's trash. I'm grateful for everything he's done for the team. But I'm also excited about the Lance era and the team's ability to retain its other good players.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

For teams drafting in the second half of the first round, what do you think the chances are of a team drafting someone better than Jimmy?

O

Yup. And we see there is no patience in this league, see the Miami Dolphins and Denver Broncos. These Jimmy isn't worth a 3rd people don't think Vic Fargo wouldn't have taken Jimmy the last 3 years or Brian Flores?

You better get a winning QB ASAP and there aren't many to go around. Keeping your job makes Jimmy worth a 2nd, minimum. You make it a 1st to ensure you get him. Then draft a QB with actually day 2 value, no reaches, and develop him. Said player will get playing opportunities given Jimmy's injury history.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

For teams drafting in the second half of the first round, what do you think the chances are of a team drafting someone better than Jimmy?

O

Yup. And we see there is no patience in this league, see the Miami Dolphins and Denver Broncos. These Jimmy isn't worth a 3rd people don't think Vic Fargo wouldn't have taken Jimmy the last 3 years or Brian Flores?

You better get a winning QB ASAP and there aren't many to go around. Keeping your job makes Jimmy worth a 2nd, minimum. You make it a 1st to ensure you get him. Then draft a QB with actually day 2 value, no reaches, and develop him. Said player will get playing opportunities given Jimmy's injury history.

Even if you say it is 50:50 after two full years of development (which looking at previous drafts is very generous) it still supports your general points.

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This happens all the time tho. I remember Larry Brown was a nobody. He had the ball thrown to him twice in Super Bowl XXX (NSFW?) and landed what was at the time a fat 5 year deal. Perhaps you are saying it would be wrong to judge based on one game which is likely true but plenty of precedent to show that some club would do so. Also with the injury seems obvious that if he has some clunker passes that are picked and we lose, then he has surgery teams may question his health. If he throws a bunch of money passes and has 4 TDs and we blow out Dallas it puts the injury question to bed.

It's not just about being a nobody,...Jimmy's not a nobody either. Just a guy with alot of bad tape. If he can start some kind of trend where he shows more consistency,...the conversation completely changes. But yesterday was more of the same,...just one of his better ending sequels.

For teams drafting in the second half of the first round, what do you think the chances are of a team drafting someone better than Jimmy?

O

Yup. And we see there is no patience in this league, see the Miami Dolphins and Denver Broncos. These Jimmy isn't worth a 3rd people don't think Vic Fargo wouldn't have taken Jimmy the last 3 years or Brian Flores?

You better get a winning QB ASAP and there aren't many to go around. Keeping your job makes Jimmy worth a 2nd, minimum. You make it a 1st to ensure you get him. Then draft a QB with actually day 2 value, no reaches, and develop him. Said player will get playing opportunities given Jimmy's injury history.

Even if you say it is 50:50 after two full years of development (which looking at previous drafts is very generous) it still supports your general points.

Hypothetically... I say this from a standpoint that I'm not in-the-know on the 2022/2023 QB classes...
But for teams that are on the cusp of being a playoff team and maybe just need a QB... like the Broncos... drafting a QB in the second half of the first round or in the second is a crapshoot. The Broncos themselves have missed on both Paxton Lynch and Drew Lock.

If job security is an issue, going for a veteran QB is the way to go. If you look at the Patriots, they drafted Mac Jones at #15 and he's about as NFL-ready as they come (but perhaps with a lower ceiling than the other rookie QB's). He played pretty well this season and got the Patriots to the playoffs, but he also took his lumps and had the benefit of a good surrounding cast and an outstanding coaching staff.

I've been saying it, but I think Jimmy's value is going to be dependent on a team's health grade on him. As fans, our opinions fluctuate on him week to week, but the NFL knows full well what Jimmy can and can't do. I'm pretty sure teams value him at LEAST as a 3rd rounder, and I'm guessing that the teams that like him and feel they can win with him value him at a 1st or 2nd. In my opinion though, if health is an issue to them, that probably bumps him down a round in value.

Why would a teams health grade be any different from 9ers to Eagles? His health is almost a yearly event. That is not running fancy stats or get a warm fuzzy from a game like yesterday. The fact is he has injury of concern every year until two or three years of proven 17 games a season and he doesn't. Fact.

$26m a year because of a good 2nd half game yesterday wasn't automatically cemented due to two quarters.

He had an awesome second half but many are in denial to his worth. A third is going to be about it or a cut if the 9ers want to thank him for his services and allow him to go wherever he wants.

I still bet the cut as a thank-you will be in order unless the third round pick is exactly where he wants to go.

Originally posted by dj43:
The firing of Vic Fangio in Denver has increased Garoppolo's immediate trade value. The Broncos have a good young team with a very good defense and plenty of offensive talent that is ready to win now. All they are lacking is a QB.

After three years of a defensive HC, they will be looking for an offensive mind this time. It will be much easier to attract a top-level HC if they have a QB in the house. Garoppolo is perfect for them. He wins big games. He has proven he is great in the locker room. With a sub-par QB field in the draft this spring, they will have to wait at least two years to draft a QB or trade. They have plenty of draft picks and cap space available. This is a perfect match. A 1st and a 4th will be the starting point for negotiations...and it might get even sweeter.

I agree that the Broncos seem to be the most likely destination.

I see Jimmy as an upgrade to Bridgewater but not by a significant margin, but it's possibly enough to push them to be a real contender.

It's hard for people to isolate a QBs play from the rest of the team.

I wouldn't trade the 49ers surrounding cast of defense, run game, and offensive weapons for nearly any other team.

The posters who can isolate those two things are the one's I find most objective.