What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Gotta say a lot of fans outside the niners are really underestimating jimmy. He'll surprise whatever team he goes to

99% of fans only see highlights. They don't see the five or six passes in a row before the one flip for the TD. They don't see locker room love and inspiration to teammates. So, yes, all but those of us who see him every week and watch a half dozen or more other QBs each week for full games, really see the value in Jimmy.

Originally posted by RasSuar:
The soon to be Admirals have a young QB, but I can't help feeling that they'd have been in contention for that WC spot that Philly earned if they had a competent QB on their team. They should be an option. So would Houston, since Caserio was part of the Patriots brain trust that wanted Jimmy to take over from Tommy Boy in Gillette Stadium. They even have a set up where Mills can be the understudy for a year behind Jimmy ready to come in case of injury.

At this rate they might as well become the Generals

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

USA Today mock draft has Denver drafting a QB.

3rd year chance of being a contender with that route... I'm going with %15

Though there is a lot of young talent on that team, it would seem a waste of some very productive years to saddle the team with the time that would be required to get a draftee up to speed.

I just dont understand why it seems to be a foregone conclusion from you, midbay and others that whoever the Broncos could draft wont be good until year 3. There have been plenty of examples throughout history (and multiple in recent history) of QBs having productive rookie years and being really good in year 2.

I'm basing my position on the less-than-sterling assessments of the QBs coming out in this year's draft.

Would Denver fans, and the new owners, be content with another year of Bridgewater (if he agrees to stay) while hoping the new guy would be better than either Bridgewater or Garoppolo?

I can only speak for the one Broncos fan I know who has the opinion that he is beyond tired of retreads. I dont know how the entire fanbase would react.

And speaking on my own personal opinion, I would ALWAYS prefer drafting a QB than to trade for a 30 year old middle of the pack QB (not even counting injury history).

I can see why Bronco fans would be tired of the junk they have had since Manning. Even in Manning's last season, though they won the SB, Manning was not the primary reason. He was 13/23 for 141 with a pick.

As to Garoppolo's ranking; there are a handful of guys that are in a muddled group with Garoppolo.
Brissett - backup at best
Stafford - fails at the worst times
Derek Carr - turnovers at the worst times
Ryan - not close to what he once was
Mac Jones - still limited
Jalen Hurts - a runner who plays QB, quite limited
JG - with one exception, the best of all those with the game on the line.

Out of that group, I would put JG near the top - 11-13 overall...but that is just me.

He's 33-14 as a starter, 68% completion rate, and has taken his team to the playoffs both years when he's been healthy. He's respected in the locker room, provides a culture shift as he did when he first got to SF, and has an economical contract for a QB.

The cap hit can easily be reduced if he signs an extension, essentially giving a slew of teams more interested in his services.

My gut tells me we'll do him right by sending him to a place that will invest in protecting him. Broncos are the leading candidate. It's a no brainer to me.

I will only accept..
2022 1st, 2nd
2023 1, 2
2024 1, 2

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Midbay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
USA Today mock draft has Denver drafting a QB.

3rd year chance of being a contender with that route... I'm going with %15

Though there is a lot of young talent on that team, it would seem a waste of some very productive years to saddle the team with the time that would be required to get a draftee up to speed.

I just dont understand why it seems to be a foregone conclusion from you, midbay and others that whoever the Broncos could draft wont be good until year 3. There have been plenty of examples throughout history (and multiple in recent history) of QBs having productive rookie years and being really good in year 2.

This is considered a poor draft class and the hit rate on QBs good enough to make you a contender just isn't that good in any event. Examples of exceptions exist, but the probability is not great. I'm not dismissing the possibility, but trying to be realistic about the chances.

At some point teams have to figure in some probability of success into their decision matrix. If Jimmy gives you some % chance of being a contender next year, how does that compare to your chances through a draft?

Your average year doesn't have a guy with Jimmy's % come up for bid.

Combine that with dj43's point about the current roster quality... what are the chances the roster is still contender quality by the time your young QB becomes the person you hope he can be. Now stack probabilities and make a choice.

Originally posted by GEEK:
He's 33-14 as a starter, 68% completion rate, and has taken his team to the playoffs both years when he's been healthy. He's respected in the locker room, provides a culture shift as he did when he first got to SF, and has an economical contract for a QB.

The cap hit can easily be reduced if he signs an extension, essentially giving a slew of teams more interested in his services.

My gut tells me we'll do him right by sending him to a place that will invest in protecting him. Broncos are the leading candidate. It's a no brainer to me.

Jimmy has a lot of control over where he goes even if he doesn't have a no-trade clause. All he has to do is refuse to sign a new contract.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It keeps going up. Keep winning. If he keeps winning perhaps we should consider keeping him. For next year anyway. Trey Lance is ultra raw. He may turn out in the long run. But Jimmy G wouldn't be the end of the world for 1 more year if he wins a little in the playoffs here. His value for trade will go up a lot too. There are really a lot of QB desperate teams. It's underestimated on here how desperate some teams are. We can get some value out of him.

Needs to win the SB to even think about the possibility keeping him.

Anything less he is out and even if he gets it done he's prob still out.

I hope PIT and DEN are interested and we trade him to either of those. He can thrive with both those franchises and I think in PIT they would be up there in the AFC

I can really see him in a Denver uniform the most.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I hope PIT and DEN are interested and we trade him to either of those. He can thrive with both those franchises and I think in PIT they would be up there in the AFC

I hate the Steelers with a passion, so I really hope Jimmy doesnt end up there from a fandom standpoint. I want him to go to where ever we get the most trade wise. I just would hate it to be Pittsburgh because I would rather not actively root against Jimmy like I am forced to do with Najee.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I hate the Steelers with a passion, so I really hope Jimmy doesnt end up there from a fandom standpoint. I want him to go to where ever we get the most trade wise. I just would hate it to be Pittsburgh because I would rather not actively root against Jimmy like I am forced to do with Najee.

I'm with you all the way.

* A few weeks ago 3rd round pick.

* Last game come from behind win and make the playoffs. 2nd and 4th.

* Win 1 playoff game and play well. 2nd and 3rd.

* Win multiple playoff games and play well. Go deeper into the playoffs. 2nd and 2nd.

* Go to the Super Bowl. Win or lose. We likely keep him. Or 1st and 2nd.

Philly received a 2022 1st rounder for Carson Wentz. We should be willing to receive a 2023 1st rounder for Jimmy.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
* A few weeks ago 3rd round pick.

* Last game come from behind win and make the playoffs. 2nd and 4th.

* Win 1 playoff game and play well. 2nd and 3rd.

* Win multiple playoff games and play well. Go deeper into the playoffs. 2nd and 2nd.

* Go to the Super Bowl. Win or lose. We likely keep him. Or 1st and 2nd.

I don't see any scenario where we keep him.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
* A few weeks ago 3rd round pick.

* Last game come from behind win and make the playoffs. 2nd and 4th.

* Win 1 playoff game and play well. 2nd and 3rd.

* Win multiple playoff games and play well. Go deeper into the playoffs. 2nd and 2nd.

* Go to the Super Bowl. Win or lose. We likely keep him. Or 1st and 2nd.

I don't see any scenario where we keep him.

If he gets to or wins the Super Bowl we might. He's still under contract for 1 more year. Trey Lance is still very raw. We could keep him 1 more year. I believe Lynch, Shanahan and the Yorks already talked about that possibility. Supposedly it's been approved for 2 years of learning for Lance. If need be.