What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by raywm3:
One man's trash, right? I bet Jimmy has a lot more value to the rest of the league than we think. Seems like we could have Brady and still be b***hing whenever he makes a bad play.

That is the million dollar question, how is he viewed throughout the league compared to the 49er fanbase and Ninertalk lol. I personally think the exact opposite and that he's valued much higher here. Hope you guys are right

If your QB is a washed Cam Newton and Sam Darnold how would you view JG? Remember when our QBs were Hoyer and Beathard? We were overjoyed to give up a prime early 2nd rounder and pay the man $137 mil right?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Philly received a 2022 1st rounder for Carson Wentz. We should be willing to receive a 2023 1st rounder for Jimmy.

That was a conditional 2nd round pick that became of 1st when Wentz played more than 75% of the team's offensive snaps. I could see that same thing in play for a team that was concerned about Garoppolo's health. Fair deal.

depends.

The only teams that would go for that feel like they are a QB away from winning now and they intend to draft a QBOTF in this draft. Steelers and saints are the only one who fit that imo. The panthers will not pull that trade because they are on the hook for darnold

Also i might almost take a 2nd round pick in this draft than worry about a conditional first in next one

From all reports, I don't see that guy in this draft. 2023 QBs are reportedly much better than this year's group.

Of all the teams looking for a QB this draft, Denver is the closest to being "ready to win." The Broncos pick #9, behind Detroit, Houston, and Carolina. All three of those other teams will take a QB if they feel there is value there.

The Giants may also be ready to move on from Daniel Jones if the new regime feels he is not the guy. That seems unlikely to me, however, the uncertainty of that situation will increase Garoppolo's value in a trade.

Ron Rivera may not be sold on Heineke as their future guy so Washington may come into play in a trade-up if a QB starts flying up the draft boards after the Senior Bowl.

All of these factors will impact Garoppolo's value, assuming he plays relatively well in the playoffs.

Your point about the value of a 2nd round pick this year versus a conditional 1st next year is valid. I offer the conditional in response to those who fear JG's health. I am not as concerned about that as some but I do understand the concern.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If your QB is a washed Cam Newton and Sam Darnold how would you view JG? Remember when our QBs were Hoyer and Beathard? We were overjoyed to give up a prime early 2nd rounder and pay the man $137 mil right?

How wouId I view JG? Well if I were the GM, I'd be thinking of going another route being that I already gave up draft compensation for the "vet QB" and Darnold didn't work out this season but that investment was already made. I'd look to the draft to get a rookie QB on that rookie pay scale and let them compete for the starting position instead of giving up assets yet again for a guy who more likely than not will miss time due to injury and cost a lot more than that rookie.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If your QB is a washed Cam Newton and Sam Darnold how would you view JG? Remember when our QBs were Hoyer and Beathard? We were overjoyed to give up a prime early 2nd rounder and pay the man $137 mil right?

How wouId I view JG? Well if I were the GM, I'd be thinking of going another route being that I already gave up draft compensation for the "vet QB" and Darnold didn't work out this season but that investment was already made. I'd look to the draft to get a rookie QB on that rookie pay scale and let them compete for the starting position instead of giving up assets yet again for a guy who more likely than not will miss time due to injury and cost a lot more than that rookie.

100%.

Especially given the fact that the Panthers have already committed to Darnold for the 2022 season. There is zero chance they will be willing to spend $45M, plus have to give up a draft pick(s), for a quarterback room of Jimmy Garappolo and Sam Darnold.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If your QB is a washed Cam Newton and Sam Darnold how would you view JG? Remember when our QBs were Hoyer and Beathard? We were overjoyed to give up a prime early 2nd rounder and pay the man $137 mil right?

How wouId I view JG? Well if I were the GM, I'd be thinking of going another route being that I already gave up draft compensation for the "vet QB" and Darnold didn't work out this season but that investment was already made. I'd look to the draft to get a rookie QB on that rookie pay scale and let them compete for the starting position instead of giving up assets yet again for a guy who more likely than not will miss time due to injury and cost a lot more than that rookie.

Can Rhule afford to draft a rookie and take some growing pains? He's openly on the hot seat as they guy who gave him a big contract is already publicly having buyers remorse.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Can Rhule afford to draft a rookie and take some growing pains? He's openly on the hot seat as they guy who gave him a big contract is already publicly having buyers remorse.

Probably not but he also can't have have 45 million tied up at qb. They made their bed with Darnold so they gotta play it out. Same with Colts and Wentz.

I still see Denver as a good landing spot for Jimmy. They have the Rams 2nd and 3rd round picks that they could give up ( maybe the Rams 2nd and their own 3rd) plus $50 million in cap space. They have a roster that has some quality players but they lack a QB. They could pay Jimmy next year and extend him one year and then draft a QB in 2023. The only downside for Jimmy would be going to a division with Mahomes, Herbert and Carr.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Can Rhule afford to draft a rookie and take some growing pains? He's openly on the hot seat as they guy who gave him a big contract is already publicly having buyers remorse.

Probably not but he also can't have have 45 million tied up at qb. They made their bed with Darnold so they gotta play it out. Same with Colts and Wentz.

Lol at having $45 mil tied up in QB. Here's what you do. You trade Darnold. You may be thinking no team would trade for Darnold. This is correct if you assume that club would pay Darnold's salary 100%. Carolina would have to pay something let's say 12 mil of the 18 mil he's owed. Would some team acquire Darnold for $6 mil and give up a late round pick? Sure.

That's $12 mil tied up to QB. You then trade for JG and redo his deal for a long term contract. Something like 4 years $85 mil. You could backload the salary impact of the deal if you wanted only counting maybe $15 mil toward this years cap. That's $27 mil of QB on the books next year. How am I doing so far? Also keep in mind the NFL salary cap goes up about $27 mil.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Lol at having $45 mil tied up in QB. Here's what you do. You trade Darnold. You may be thinking no team would trade for Darnold. This is correct if you assume that club would pay Darnold's salary 100%. Carolina would have to pay something let's say 12 mil of the 18 mil he's owed. Would some team acquire Darnold for $6 mil and give up a late round pick? Sure.

That's $12 mil tied up to QB. You then trade for JG and redo his deal for a long term contract. Something like 4 years $85 mil. You could backload the salary impact of the deal if you wanted only counting maybe $15 mil toward this years cap. That's $27 mil of QB on the books next year. How am I doing so far? Also keep in mind the NFL salary cap goes up about $27 mil.

Jimmy G doesn't make Carolina a contender though so why would upper management want to do that? Need teams that have legit defenses and a few offensive components to have interest. All Carolina has is a good pass rush. Same with extending Jimmy.

Washington, Denver, Pittsburgh are the landing spots.

With the 20th pick in the NFL draft the Pittsburgh Steelers have traded it to the 49ers for Jimmy G

Originally posted by CRABTREE:

With the 20th pick in the NFL draft the Pittsburgh Steelers have traded it to the 49ers for Jimmy G

This would be a dream. Watching Pitt give way to much for him.

Originally posted by 9moon:
I've always said that if Washington (before the season) is willing to give up their 2nd rounder that can turn into a 1st rounder, that we should pull the trigger and trade Grappy..

Do they have YAC monsters there? Who'd he be throwing to?

The Colts sound like they've had enough of Wentz already and may be moving on next year. Their GM was asked about him and wouldn't commit. That could be a good spot for Jimmy.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
The Colts sound like they've had enough of Wentz already and may be moving on next year. Their GM was asked about him and wouldn't commit. That could be a good spot for Jimmy.

they gave up a first Rd pick for Wentz.. no way they release him to waste a first rd pick and take a 15mil DC hit

Broncos sports radio are talking about getting Jimmy in a package deal with McDaniels as head coach or OC.