What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

This seems to be a combo of Lynch telegraphing our move, over playing our hand, and Jimmy waiting to get surgery a little late.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He doesn't manage the game well. His reads are wild. Like the interception in the Houston game to the left sideline. He didn't see the coverage. He doesn't see everything right now. That's part of not being ready.

As for Jimmy G he was hurt some of the year. Still played well. He made the NFC Championship Game. He made the final 4. With multiple injuries. So it really wasn't that bad.

you clearly have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to football. Calling out an INT in the Texas game on his 2nd start in the NFL after not playing for a yr and getting no 1st string reps. Why do you makeup s**t? Why do you not provide context?

Jimmy doesn't see everything right now either and he's been in the league for 8 yrs. You watch the playoffs? You watch him constantly not seeing LBers? He did NOT play well regardless of his injury. SF made it to the NFCC despite Jimmy not because of him, how do you not get that? How many bad reads and INTs to you want me to show you Jimmy make?

I'm so sick of hearing player A isn't ready....like people in here have and f**king clue what ready means or how a player CAN get ready. Sitting and not playing a sport does not get you ready to play that sport. You can watch film all the damn time, but that can only prepare you so much. Learning coverages is through in game live speed and reps. You NEED to do it to understand it. Lance/Lynch/Kyle and damn near every single player has said it. It's why players value their reps in TC/practice/and in season.

Exactly. The 49ers made it to the final 4, but hard to give Jimmy much credit for beating the Packers. He helped the Cowboys get back in the game.
Lastly, I guess Payton Manning wasn't ready with all his interceptions as a rookie. Somehow that practice and playing time paid off in year two.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Saints' QB Jameis Winston, who tore his ACL on Halloween and reached agreement yesterday on a two-year deal with New Orleans, is expected to be ready for training camp this summer "if everything continues to go smoothly with his rehab", per league source.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 22, 2022

lol so his timeline for his ACL is damn near the same as Jimmy's shoulder. Both are expected to be ready at the start of training camp....one got paid $28M ($21M GTD) and is on a new team.

His "injury" is not the main reason no one is willing to trade anything of substance for him. His "contract" which at this point is only GTD for $8.9M isn't a reason either.

Again....where am I confused?

No compensation waas given up for the rights to sign Winston. This raises the possible value of Winston, compensation-wise. And even, Winston's yearly compensation is roughly HALF of what Jimmy's currently is, so unless Jimmy has offered to work for free in the 2nd yr of a 1-yr extension, I see no relation to Winston and what he brings to NO.

And where do the guarantees come into play? ($8.9M)

Again no one cares about Jimmy's $27M he is NOT GTD that cash right now....the only money he has coming to him is $8.9M. So please stop referencing yearly compensation or it being half of whatever. It's simply not true.

I've told you were the GTD come into play....$7.5M is for injury only (won't pass a physical) he earned that through incentives. That is his money regardless of being cut/traded. $1.4M is his prorated bonus which SF owes him. That is it. GTD money is money someone owes you regardless if you're on the team, NOT if you make the roster W1.

Jimmy wasn't worth trading for and his shoulder is not the main reason for it....people acting like a team would have had to give up a 1st or some s**t and that simply isn't the case. Winston isn't passing a physical and won't be ready any sooner than Jimmy. Yet he actually GOT GTD cash right now. New Orleans is basically saying Winston is better then Jimmy, injuries wasn't the issue. Tossing a day 2 pick for a starting QB is not gonna stop a team from getting a guy they want. Clearly they didn't want him.

Like 2 days ago you were all over Jimmy lol.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He said that because that's what he sees and what he believes.

Fair enough...not trying to drive an agenda, can't even parallel park!

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Like 2 days ago you were all over Jimmy lol.

all over jimmy as in what? I thought he was a startabale QB on a handful of teams in the market for one. Clearly I was wrong. His injury issue isn't that major of a deal considering Winston just signed for $28M ($21M GTD) and won't be able to be cleared until the same time as Jimmy.

Originally posted by nobody49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He said that because that's what he sees and what he believes.

Fair enough...not trying to drive an agenda, can't even parallel park!

I would take Rice's assessment as he caught passes from a lot of different types of QBs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Like 2 days ago you were all over Jimmy lol.

all over jimmy as in what? I thought he was a startabale QB on a handful of teams in the market for one. Clearly I was wrong. His injury issue isn't that major of a deal considering Winston just signed for $28M ($21M GTD) and won't be able to be cleared until the same time as Jimmy.

The Injuries are not the same
winston already knows how their system
Colts reported the injury and timing to get him into the system was the red flag on not trading for him

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Again no one cares about Jimmy's $27M he is NOT GTD that cash right now....the only money he has coming to him is $8.9M. So please stop referencing yearly compensation or it being half of whatever. It's simply not true.

I've told you were the GTD come into play....$7.5M is for injury only (won't pass a physical) he earned that through incentives. That is his money regardless of being cut/traded. $1.4M is his prorated bonus which SF owes him. That is it. GTD money is money someone owes you regardless if you're on the team, NOT if you make the roster W1.

Jimmy wasn't worth trading for and his shoulder is not the main reason for it....people acting like a team would have had to give up a 1st or some s**t and that simply isn't the case. Winston isn't passing a physical and won't be ready any sooner than Jimmy. Yet he actually GOT GTD cash right now. New Orleans is basically saying Winston is better then Jimmy, injuries wasn't the issue. Tossing a day 2 pick for a starting QB is not gonna stop a team from getting a guy they want. Clearly they didn't want him.

IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The Injuries are not the same
winston already knows how their system
Colts reported the injury and timing to get him into the system was the red flag on not trading for him

ACL is by far a longer recovery time then stitching up a small tear in a capsule on the shoulder. Multiple doctors have said his surgery isn't major and the fact that he could still throw and play with it means it wasn't a serious injury.

You can't even stay in shape with a torn ACL and the fact that he wasn't gonna be ready for TC all the same tosses out any crap of the injury being the main issue.

Different OC there actually, I'm sure the system will be all the same and whatnot...it's not Payton though.

Colts didn't want him. If they did they would have traded for him. Instead they traded for a 37 yr old past his prime and took on almost $60M.

I thought Jimmy was a startable QB on some of these teams looking for a QB...I was wrong, no one wants him and it sounds like SF is fine with keeping him for another yr which is absolutely stupid for multiple reasons imo.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because there isn't a rush to do so

Originally posted by pdfortune:
Exactly. The 49ers made it to the final 4, but hard to give Jimmy much credit for beating the Packers. He helped the Cowboys get back in the game.
Lastly, I guess Payton Manning wasn't ready with all his interceptions as a rookie. Somehow that practice and playing time paid off in year two.

Neither was John Elway. For that matter neither was Montana. But that's back when people had some common sense and patience. Now people expect every player to come out of college ready to lead the team to a SB victory.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Again no one cares about Jimmy's $27M he is NOT GTD that cash right now....the only money he has coming to him is $8.9M. So please stop referencing yearly compensation or it being half of whatever. It's simply not true.

I've told you were the GTD come into play....$7.5M is for injury only (won't pass a physical) he earned that through incentives. That is his money regardless of being cut/traded. $1.4M is his prorated bonus which SF owes him. That is it. GTD money is money someone owes you regardless if you're on the team, NOT if you make the roster W1.

Jimmy wasn't worth trading for and his shoulder is not the main reason for it....people acting like a team would have had to give up a 1st or some s**t and that simply isn't the case. Winston isn't passing a physical and won't be ready any sooner than Jimmy. Yet he actually GOT GTD cash right now. New Orleans is basically saying Winston is better then Jimmy, injuries wasn't the issue. Tossing a day 2 pick for a starting QB is not gonna stop a team from getting a guy they want. Clearly they didn't want him.

IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because SF loves Jimmy regardless if the rest of the league doesn't. They are stubborn and can't admit they overplayed their hand. Maybe they get lucky with the panthers but I don't see why Carolina would go get Jimmy.

Lynch end of the year talked about how great it is having a QB on a rookie contract and how it helps build a top end roster (he brought up Wilson when they were going to Super bowls). They're all but throwing that in the trash now.

This is the FO's personnel trigger thread to troll fans. I love it.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because there isn't a rush to do so

Yeah you're right SF isn't in a win now mode...no rush. Let's just watch good FAs go to the competition, not improve the roster, watch our own leave, not take advantage of a rookie QB contract.

Getting a couple day 2 picks is wayyy more important.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Neither was John Elway. For that matter neither was Montana. But that's back when people had some common sense and patience. Now people expect every player to come out of college ready to lead the team to a SB victory.

You gotta let those guys plays though...you rep through the bad s**t. Sitting isn't gonna change any of that. You're still gonna have to rep through the bad plays and get confident in your reads all the same.

The whole point is to build the best possible roster around a young QB, let them do what they do best until they figure out the nuances which will take time.