What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the FO's personnel trigger thread to troll fans. I love it.

haha it's just straight up stupid at this point. IMO there's no defending this nonsense...you know me I'm usually on board with the FO too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because there isn't a rush to do so

Yeah you're right SF isn't in a win now mode...no rush. Let's just watch good FAs go to the competition, not improve the roster, watch our own leave, not take advantage of a rookie QB contract.

Getting a couple day 2 picks is wayyy more important.

Jimmy has no effect on pursuing any FAs.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because there isn't a rush to do so

Yeah you're right SF isn't in a win now mode...no rush. Let's just watch good FAs go to the competition, not improve the roster, watch our own leave, not take advantage of a rookie QB contract.

Getting a couple day 2 picks is wayyy more important.

Jimmy has no effect on pursuing any FAs.

Overall this is true. His money is for Deebo and Bosa, but we definitely could've had enough to sign another guy around the 6-7 mil range though.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because there isn't a rush to do so

Yeah you're right SF isn't in a win now mode...no rush. Let's just watch good FAs go to the competition, not improve the roster, watch our own leave, not take advantage of a rookie QB contract.

Getting a couple day 2 picks is wayyy more important.

Jimmy has no effect on pursuing any FAs.

Overall this is true. His money is for Deebo and Bosa, but we definitely could've had enough to sign another guy around the 6-7 mil range though.

We were still over the cap when we agreed/signed ward to what 10+ mil a year

jimmy has no bearing on FA

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Jimmy has no effect on pursuing any FAs.

$18M sure as s**t says it does...if not pursuing FAs at the very least maintaining/resigning our good starters. The team has gotten worse not better and in part it's because of him.

People keeping saying that extra cash doesn't help and we could restructure so and so disregarding the fact that all that does is push our cap even higher next yr when he's not even gonna be here. He would still be f**king the team even when he's gone lol.

Not getting picks and keeping him on the roster doesn't help anything either. Just more BS QB controversies that everyone has to listen to. Imagine being cool with your highest paid player being the backup QB lol. That's a winning philosophy said no one ever

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the FO's personnel trigger thread to troll fans. I love it.

haha it's just straight up stupid at this point. IMO there's no defending this nonsense...you know me I'm usually on board with the FO too.

I feel your frustration.

I'm personally over it because it's very obvious this year is a wait-and-see year with Trey.

No effing way this team is in position to compete for a Superbowl especially compared to the AFC teams. The NFC is a Canadian league at this point which means we'll make the playoffs again...always an outside chance...but highly unlikely we win anything meaningful (i.e. NFCW, NFC, Superbowl).

I'm interested in a Superbowl now that we have $80M next year in cap space, the core locked up and a FQB on a rookie salary. We already know we're close. Now bring it home. No more excuses. Show me you really want this ship.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Overall this is true. His money is for Deebo and Bosa, but we definitely could've had enough to sign another guy around the 6-7 mil range though.

It's not really that true though...they have what like $4M in space without knowing what that STer from the colts got? Also you need around $7M to pay for rookie contracts, and you need money going into the season to make in-season moves like signing guys off the PS and whatnot.

The only way you're getting cap relief outside of cutting him, it to restructure even more contracts and extend guys which in turn will just pump up our cap hit in 2023. So even after Jimmy is gone they still are working with less cap relief because they couldn't cut him for whatever reason.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I feel your frustration.

I'm personally over it because it's very obvious this year is a wait-and-see year with Trey.

No effing way this team is in position to compete for a Superbowl especially compared to the AFC teams. The NFC is a Canadian league at this point which means we'll make the playoffs again...always an outside chance...but highly unlikely we win anything meaningful (i.e. NFCW, NFC, Superbowl).

I'm interested in a Superbowl now that we have $80M next year in cap space, the core locked up and a FQB on a rookie salary. We already know we're close. Now bring it home. No more excuses. Show me you really want this ship.

I mean with the NFC being so down it's the perfect time to build that s**t up...let all those dudes in the AFC beat each other up. End of the day you're only playing one of those teams in the SB.

That $80 goes down with Deebo/Bosa signed and SF only has 20 dudes under contract lol. That FQB on a rookie salary is only for one more year, at the end of 2023 he is elidable to sign an extension and he will do just that if he plays well (and it will be for A LOT OF MONEY). It will be an extension which will keep the cap hit relatively "lower" for the rest of his rookie contract, but we've basically wasted two years of his rookie deal by benching him and paying a backup starter money.

SF is going from a NFCC and almost going to the SB and acting like we aren't a couple good pieces away from getting there, with the s**t they've done so far.

Unless you can pull off some player swap or some s**t with the Panthers cut Jimmy and let him go find a place. That's what he wants.

I'm just annoyed overall...I've been wanting SF to go all in on a high end rookie with elite traits, then take advantage of that contract.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We were still over the cap when we agreed/signed ward to what 10+ mil a year

jimmy has no bearing on FA

Ward is not getting $10M this yr. He's getting like $3M and no we weren't over the cap at that point. AA/Kittle restructures cleared $18M. They have like $4M in space right now without knowing what that ST guy from INDY's cap hit is.

They also need $7M for rookie contracts and need money to go into the season.

Yes Jimmy and his $18M in freed up cash has a bearing on FA now and what the cap would look like next yr.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Jimmy wins!

But nobody wants him?

So far, Subways is the only franchise that offered him a big deal

I'm honestly surprised he doesn't get more commercials. He has the look. He has been to multiple NFC Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl. So he is well known.

It's a shame that Baker / Kap got more commercials than JG when they absolutely did much less and choked more

Kap, albeit the one read QB he was, did more and beat more teams on his own than Jimmy did. He was exciting to watch that's for sure, for a while. If Kaep could read a defense he might have been legit.

I suppose that could of come easily to him if he put as much effort in studying film / defenses as he did in non football stuff like trying to find chicken wings Larry Bird hid or playing video games with Willow, etc

Agreed 💯

I think its all but confirmed that Furlow lost our bet and owes $100 to charity.

Unless the Panthers give us the 6th overall pick or a 2nd rounder in 2023 and change.

Nearly 3 months and 784 pages of posts about Jimmy's trade value and now it looks like there is no market for him. I was expecting a 2nd or at least a 3rd when this all started. We had speculation ranging form a 1st to multiple 2nds and on down. A few said from the start that he had no value. He has some value but after the surgery there just isn't anyone willing to commit $25 million to him for this year. Someone will grab him after he gets released and sign him as a backup with a shot at becoming the starter.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Again no one cares about Jimmy's $27M he is NOT GTD that cash right now....the only money he has coming to him is $8.9M. So please stop referencing yearly compensation or it being half of whatever. It's simply not true.

I've told you were the GTD come into play....$7.5M is for injury only (won't pass a physical) he earned that through incentives. That is his money regardless of being cut/traded. $1.4M is his prorated bonus which SF owes him. That is it. GTD money is money someone owes you regardless if you're on the team, NOT if you make the roster W1.

Jimmy wasn't worth trading for and his shoulder is not the main reason for it....people acting like a team would have had to give up a 1st or some s**t and that simply isn't the case. Winston isn't passing a physical and won't be ready any sooner than Jimmy. Yet he actually GOT GTD cash right now. New Orleans is basically saying Winston is better then Jimmy, injuries wasn't the issue. Tossing a day 2 pick for a starting QB is not gonna stop a team from getting a guy they want. Clearly they didn't want him.

Why wouldn't we keep JG until he Can pass a physical? That is expected to be before the salary guarantee would kick in on week 1 of the regular season. And if the money is going to go to Deebo and Bosa, as I think is where the priority should be, or it doesn't prevent us sighing free agents anyway, there's no downside.

Also, I read the $7.5 injury settlement is offset by any contract he signs this year with any team, dollar for dollar. Is this not correct? Even if so, I still think it's safer to wait until he can pass a physical, because the way it's going, if he takes a backup job, he might not make much more than that, and $7.5m to sit out might start looking pretty good to him.

He is what most of thought he was, a mid-tier QB on his best day who still makes inexplicable decisions with the football, who is injury prone and just had shoulder surgery. Cut this dude now. The situation isn't going to improve unless they have free massage day in Cleveland.

The team had avenues to clear up cap space and they didn't do it. Given historical evidence of how this front office operates I do believe that, having traded Jimmy or not, we were never going to chase any other expensive free agents and that the money is purely allocated to Deebo and Bosa. That said, I do worry that there is no market for Jimmy at all at this point. I have it on good authority that there were three teams involved very early on: the Washington commanders, the Indianapolis colts, and the Las Vegas Raiders. What I don't know is what those teams offered, but it was described to me that Jimmy would have been a commander if not for the surgery. My guess is that the offer for 2 seconds was from Washington who backed out once the news of Jimmy's surgery broke. The team then went to the colts asking for that same offer and they weren't willing to do it because they were more than happy with some of the other alternative options for less money. Niners likely overplayed their hand with that one. I do also believe that the Raiders were serious contenders, and I know for a fact that the teams were on the phone with each other (and not just random scouts or coaches) very recently. I think that Devante Adams saved Derek Carr's career with the Raiders and of that I am very very confident. I also know that the team never asked for more than two seconds or that they were at least never of the opinion or confidence that they could get a first rounder for Jimmy. I have also not heard of any other teams still interested in Jimmy at this stage. If there is a trade to be made, I really hope it's for draft compensation this year not next.