What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by Rathof44:
He is what most of thought he was, a mid-tier QB on his best day who still makes inexplicable decisions with the football, who is injury prone and just had shoulder surgery. Cut this dude now. The situation isn't going to improve unless they have free massage day in Cleveland.

There is no need to cut him right now. We don't need the money. there is zero consequence of waiting to see if teams become interested again with time either with quarterback injury problems of their own or with a Jimmy passed physical

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
He is what most of thought he was, a mid-tier QB on his best day who still makes inexplicable decisions with the football, who is injury prone and just had shoulder surgery. Cut this dude now. The situation isn't going to improve unless they have free massage day in Cleveland.

There is no need to cut him right now. We don't need the money. there is zero consequence of waiting to see if teams become interested again with time either with quarterback injury problems of their own or with a Jimmy passed physical

Probably right, just sick of the ongoing saga and really want him gone so the 49ers can move forward with Lance.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
The team had avenues to clear up cap space and they didn't do it. Given historical evidence of how this front office operates I do believe that, having traded Jimmy or not, we were never going to chase any other expensive free agents and that the money is purely allocated to Deebo and Bosa. That said, I do worry that there is no market for Jimmy at all at this point. I have it on good authority that there were three teams involved very early on: the Washington commanders, the Indianapolis colts, and the Las Vegas Raiders. What I don't know is what those teams offered, but it was described to me that Jimmy would have been a commander if not for the surgery. My guess is that the offer for 2 seconds was from Washington who backed out once the news of Jimmy's surgery broke. The team then went to the colts asking for that same offer and they weren't willing to do it because they were more than happy with some of the other alternative options for less money. Niners likely overplayed their hand with that one. I do also believe that the Raiders were serious contenders, and I know for a fact that the teams were on the phone with each other (and not just random scouts or coaches) very recently. I think that Devante Adams saved Derek Carr's career with the Raiders and of that I am very very confident. I also know that the team never asked for more than two seconds or that they were at least never of the opinion or confidence that they could get a first rounder for Jimmy. I have also not heard of any other teams still interested in Jimmy at this stage. If there is a trade to be made, I really hope it's for draft compensation this year not next.

Dude, I don't know if your comment is real or made up. However, It does seem quite plausible. I hoping maybe the panthers bite on a deal. If you do have a connection, How long before he is released if their is no trade available.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I feel your frustration.

I'm personally over it because it's very obvious this year is a wait-and-see year with Trey.

No effing way this team is in position to compete for a Superbowl especially compared to the AFC teams. The NFC is a Canadian league at this point which means we'll make the playoffs again...always an outside chance...but highly unlikely we win anything meaningful (i.e. NFCW, NFC, Superbowl).

I'm interested in a Superbowl now that we have $80M next year in cap space, the core locked up and a FQB on a rookie salary. We already know we're close. Now bring it home. No more excuses. Show me you really want this ship.

I mean with the NFC being so down it's the perfect time to build that s**t up...let all those dudes in the AFC beat each other up. End of the day you're only playing one of those teams in the SB.

That $80 goes down with Deebo/Bosa signed and SF only has 20 dudes under contract lol. That FQB on a rookie salary is only for one more year, at the end of 2023 he is elidable to sign an extension and he will do just that if he plays well (and it will be for A LOT OF MONEY). It will be an extension which will keep the cap hit relatively "lower" for the rest of his rookie contract, but we've basically wasted two years of his rookie deal by benching him and paying a backup starter money.

SF is going from a NFCC and almost going to the SB and acting like we aren't a couple good pieces away from getting there, with the s**t they've done so far.

Unless you can pull off some player swap or some s**t with the Panthers cut Jimmy and let him go find a place. That's what he wants.

I'm just annoyed overall...I've been wanting SF to go all in on a high end rookie with elite traits, then take advantage of that contract.

Oh you know I'm in line with that line of thinking!

Does Jimmy need to passed the physical to finalize a trade? If so, it would make sense we heard nothing so far. Reasonable for the trading partners to not disclosed if Jimmy isn't healthy yet.

Even if Lynch has something on the table or an agreement, I don't see him as the type that blabber about it before it could be finalized to protect the team trading for Jimmy. Imagine the fans knowing their team traded X amount for some one who can't even throw the ball yet. The closest thing I remember was Manning with the neck issue.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Nearly 3 months and 784 pages of posts about Jimmy's trade value and now it looks like there is no market for him. I was expecting a 2nd or at least a 3rd when this all started. We had speculation ranging form a 1st to multiple 2nds and on down. A few said from the start that he had no value. He has some value but after the surgery there just isn't anyone willing to commit $25 million to him for this year. Someone will grab him after he gets released and sign him as a backup with a shot at becoming the starter.

its not over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ACL is by far a longer recovery time then stitching up a small tear in a capsule on the shoulder. Multiple doctors have said his surgery isn't major and the fact that he could still throw and play with it means it wasn't a serious injury.

You can't even stay in shape with a torn ACL and the fact that he wasn't gonna be ready for TC all the same tosses out any crap of the injury being the main issue.

Different OC there actually, I'm sure the system will be all the same and whatnot...it's not Payton though.

Colts didn't want him. If they did they would have traded for him. Instead they traded for a 37 yr old past his prime and took on almost $60M.

I thought Jimmy was a startable QB on some of these teams looking for a QB...I was wrong, no one wants him and it sounds like SF is fine with keeping him for another yr which is absolutely stupid for multiple reasons imo.

So the Colts were lying?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Again no one cares about Jimmy's $27M he is NOT GTD that cash right now....the only money he has coming to him is $8.9M. So please stop referencing yearly compensation or it being half of whatever. It's simply not true.

I've told you were the GTD come into play....$7.5M is for injury only (won't pass a physical) he earned that through incentives. That is his money regardless of being cut/traded. $1.4M is his prorated bonus which SF owes him. That is it. GTD money is money someone owes you regardless if you're on the team, NOT if you make the roster W1.

Jimmy wasn't worth trading for and his shoulder is not the main reason for it....people acting like a team would have had to give up a 1st or some s**t and that simply isn't the case. Winston isn't passing a physical and won't be ready any sooner than Jimmy. Yet he actually GOT GTD cash right now. New Orleans is basically saying Winston is better then Jimmy, injuries wasn't the issue. Tossing a day 2 pick for a starting QB is not gonna stop a team from getting a guy they want. Clearly they didn't want him.

IU don't disagree with any of that. So why hasn't he been cut yet. The way I see it, all the trade opportunities have dried up. Why is he still on the roster?

Because SF loves Jimmy regardless if the rest of the league doesn't. They are stubborn and can't admit they overplayed their hand. Maybe they get lucky with the panthers but I don't see why Carolina would go get Jimmy.

Lynch end of the year talked about how great it is having a QB on a rookie contract and how it helps build a top end roster (he brought up Wilson when they were going to Super bowls). They're all but throwing that in the trash now.

The only thing I can think of is a draft day trade for peanuts.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
ACL is by far a longer recovery time then stitching up a small tear in a capsule on the shoulder. Multiple doctors have said his surgery isn't major and the fact that he could still throw and play with it means it wasn't a serious injury.

You can't even stay in shape with a torn ACL and the fact that he wasn't gonna be ready for TC all the same tosses out any crap of the injury being the main issue.

Different OC there actually, I'm sure the system will be all the same and whatnot...it's not Payton though.

Colts didn't want him. If they did they would have traded for him. Instead they traded for a 37 yr old past his prime and took on almost $60M.

I thought Jimmy was a startable QB on some of these teams looking for a QB...I was wrong, no one wants him and it sounds like SF is fine with keeping him for another yr which is absolutely stupid for multiple reasons imo.

So the Colts were lying?

the Colts story is a "report" with no spokesperson identified.
skeptical at best.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We were still over the cap when we agreed/signed ward to what 10+ mil a year

jimmy has no bearing on FA

Ward is not getting $10M this yr. He's getting like $3M and no we weren't over the cap at that point. AA/Kittle restructures cleared $18M. They have like $4M in space right now without knowing what that ST guy from INDY's cap hit is.

They also need $7M for rookie contracts and need money to go into the season.

Yes Jimmy and his $18M in freed up cash has a bearing on FA now and what the cap would look like next yr.

at the begining of legal tampering we were over the cap. we agreed to sign Ward that night. AA/Kittle contract changes happened two days later

We don't need to cut jimmy before pursuing more FAs cause we can always cut jimmy after

I honestly think the most likely avenue at this point is a flat out release as soon as he passes a physical.

I think Maiocco's article is mostly correct. Jimmy wanted to avoid surgery and did it as a last resort, and it cratered his trade value. I don't think the team has received any decent trade offers, and if the story about two 2nds is correct, it probably came from Washington and there's zero chance Garoppolo and Yee would sign off on it.

Lance will get all the 1st team reps in OTAs and minicamp and Jimmy will be away from the team. By the time camp rolls around Lance will be announced as the starter and Sudfeld the backup. (hence the $2 million guarantee) The team will continue to put out feelers for a trade, but I think that's unlikely at this point, unless a freak injury happens or Carolina gets desperate. If neither of those happens, Jimmy holds a clipboard for another team come week 1.

I was ticked about everything that's transpired over the last week, but after weighing it all over I've come to terms with the above being the most likely scenario based on my totally uninformed opinion, other than reading what beat writers say.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We were still over the cap when we agreed/signed ward to what 10+ mil a year

jimmy has no bearing on FA

Ward is not getting $10M this yr. He's getting like $3M and no we weren't over the cap at that point. AA/Kittle restructures cleared $18M. They have like $4M in space right now without knowing what that ST guy from INDY's cap hit is.

They also need $7M for rookie contracts and need money to go into the season.

Yes Jimmy and his $18M in freed up cash has a bearing on FA now and what the cap would look like next yr.

at the begining of legal tampering we were over the cap. we agreed to sign Ward that night. AA/Kittle contract changes happened two days later

We don't need to cut jimmy before pursuing more FAs cause we can always cut jimmy after

They had agreed to terms with Ward during the legal tampering period, but he wasn't officially signed until after the AA/Kittle restructures we're already done

Originally posted by 49ers18:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
We were still over the cap when we agreed/signed ward to what 10+ mil a year

jimmy has no bearing on FA

Ward is not getting $10M this yr. He's getting like $3M and no we weren't over the cap at that point. AA/Kittle restructures cleared $18M. They have like $4M in space right now without knowing what that ST guy from INDY's cap hit is.

They also need $7M for rookie contracts and need money to go into the season.

Yes Jimmy and his $18M in freed up cash has a bearing on FA now and what the cap would look like next yr.

at the begining of legal tampering we were over the cap. we agreed to sign Ward that night. AA/Kittle contract changes happened two days later

We don't need to cut jimmy before pursuing more FAs cause we can always cut jimmy after

They had agreed to terms with Ward during the legal tampering period, but he wasn't officially signed until after the AA/Kittle restructures we're already done

exactly, so we can still pursue FAs and work it out later (cut jimmy sooner)

Wake up another day with one of the best QB rooms in the league

FEELS BENISSIMO BABY

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
at the begining of legal tampering we were over the cap. we agreed to sign Ward that night. AA/Kittle contract changes happened two days later

We don't need to cut jimmy before pursuing more FAs cause we can always cut jimmy after

You can be over the cap before the 16th. Agreeing and actually having it hit the books aren't the same.

As of the new yr you must be under the cap while doing all these transactions. Tell me who you're restructuring, what we're saving, and how it will not affect the cap in 2023?