What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Hyder and Key don't really do the same things so idk if it's really a downgrade. I still think Key could be back.

Unless key is coming back for what Hyder is getting paid, which damn near the vet min…he's not coming back.

Agree. Hyder and Key very similar skill sets, and with Key being younger, I can see a bottom feeder team outbidding the 49ers real easy.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by cciowa:
lynch and kyle need to do everything they can do for trey.. in my opinion. that means getting at least two good o line guys.. a fast wide out.. a fast running back and a very good second tight end

This obviously. Letting the O line go by the wayside, while being proven wrong by the rest of the league as to Jimmy's value adds insult to injury.

i may lose my s**t if i start to hear lynch or kyle start to say .. well it will be open qb competition this year with jimmy and trey. no.. no.. trey is who you drafted for the future.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
and a interior dt guy

That guy isn't there in the 2nd….overall this draft drinks at DT.

i am sorry,, i meant to say a dt later.. after we address o line. pass rusher. safety. fast wide out . second tight end... that is if anything good is still there who worth a darn. omg,, i would lose it if the team reaches again for a dt with their first pick

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
If you are being honest, if I told you had to rank the likelihood of one of the following players, Skule, Mckivitz, Moore, Banks, Brunskill …….or Compton, to be graded at 89 by PFFat RT last year, how many players would you have placed above Compton?

My point is, we don't know how the players will play in game time situations, until we give them a chance. Sure, maybe the team caught lightning in a bottle and they wasted all of their good juju with the OLine gods last year, but I for one would rather have an honest assessment of our young depth and see if a player or two rises up and takes a big leap forward. I definitely would prefer that over signing an old vet past him prime, and being right back in the same predicament next year.

Compton had a score of 89 based off his run-blocking. His pass-pro was in the low 60s (brunskill had one of the worst PBLK scores in the league for a starter at like 48). I for one would love to have legit starters in place and help the young QB instead of keeping a backup QB on the books for $27M. Not sure why anyone would be disagreeing with this take

How is signing 24 yr old James Daniels to 3yrs $26M or Austin Corbett (at 26) for the same contract...fit signing an old vet past his prime? That's great value! The only "old vet past his prime" I see is SF signing 36 yr old Alex Mack with no plan past him and who thought about retiring this off season.

That's my point, we will be right back here next year if we sign the really inexpensive starters as "insurance policies" for our young guys not being ready and the only reason you think Daniels and Corbett are valuable is because their teams gave them game reps and they performed. Not to mention, Jimmy's contract did not prevent the team from signing 3 year deals to any young player that they thought had the chance to play out the entirety of their contract.

The reality is every team has an OLine problem because most are not ready for the NFL out of college, and the ones who are never make it to free agency until they are past their prime and the ones who are developed by their team and are made into solid starters usually get overpaid in FA.

Like I said, I think the team insulated itself by drafting and developing the guys they have where no matter how bad the guys we have play, they won't be terrible. The good thing about being in that position, is you have a good chance to see if any of those guys are ready to take the next step forward, and which are destined to be backups. With Mack retiring soon, I would say this is the best time to do it. It is not ideal to also be developing a QB at the same time, however, I would bet that no matter how bad the current guys on the team play combined with the draft class, they can't be worse than Cincy was the past 2 seasons.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by cciowa:
lynch and kyle need to do everything they can do for trey.. in my opinion. that means getting at least two good o line guys.. a fast wide out.. a fast running back and a very good second tight end

This obviously. Letting the O line go by the wayside, while being proven wrong by the rest of the league as to Jimmy's value adds insult to injury.

i may lose my s**t if i start to hear lynch or kyle start to say .. well it will be open qb competition this year with jimmy and trey. no.. no.. trey is who you drafted for the future.

If this happens then the only explanation is something is terribly wrong with Trey. No other explanation.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Agreed. Not a good DT class.

Only guy I like in the second round at DT Perrion Winfrey from Oklahoma but he's strictly a 3tech I believe and I want AA moved inside full time.

That was the only dude was I gonna mention, but I think Kin/AA/hurst/ridgeway are your rotational dudes.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
If you are being honest, if I told you had to rank the likelihood of one of the following players, Skule, Mckivitz, Moore, Banks, Brunskill …….or Compton, to be graded at 89 by PFFat RT last year, how many players would you have placed above Compton?

My point is, we don't know how the players will play in game time situations, until we give them a chance. Sure, maybe the team caught lightning in a bottle and they wasted all of their good juju with the OLine gods last year, but I for one would rather have an honest assessment of our young depth and see if a player or two rises up and takes a big leap forward. I definitely would prefer that over signing an old vet past him prime, and being right back in the same predicament next year.

Compton had a score of 89 based off his run-blocking. His pass-pro was in the low 60s (brunskill had one of the worst PBLK scores in the league for a starter at like 48). I for one would love to have legit starters in place and help the young QB instead of keeping a backup QB on the books for $27M. Not sure why anyone would be disagreeing with this take

How is signing 24 yr old James Daniels to 3yrs $26M or Austin Corbett (at 26) for the same contract...fit signing an old vet past his prime? That's great value! The only "old vet past his prime" I see is SF signing 36 yr old Alex Mack with no plan past him and who thought about retiring this off season.

That's my point, we will be right back here next year if we sign the really inexpensive starters as "insurance policies" for our young guys not being ready and the only reason you think Daniels and Corbett are valuable is because their teams gave them game reps and they performed. Not to mention, Jimmy's contract did not prevent the team from signing 3 year deals to any young player that they thought had the chance to play out the entirety of their contract.

The reality is every team has an OLine problem because most are not ready for the NFL out of college, and the ones who are never make it to free agency until they are past their prime and the ones who are developed by their team and are made into solid starters usually get overpaid in FA.

Like I said, I think the team insulated itself by drafting and developing the guys they have where no matter how bad the guys we have play, they won't be terrible. The good thing about being in that position, is you have a good chance to see if any of those guys are ready to take the next step forward, and which are destined to be backups. With Mack retiring soon, I would say this is the best time to do it. It is not ideal to also be developing a QB at the same time, however, I would bet that no matter how bad the current guys on the team play combined with the draft class, they can't be worse than Cincy was the past 2 seasons.

Agree with that strategy. People are people and you don't change them (they have to change themselves), you just reveal who they are by putting them in the lineup to see if they can challenge for a starting job. Just basically throw some numbers at the position until something sticks, and of course, learn from your mistakes. I think ShanaLynch learned a lot about drafting WR's by picking guys who busted like Trent Taylor, Hurd and Pettis and have gotten a bit better at drafting the position, at the same time, they kept drafting WRs until they hit on a guy like Jauan. I"m hoping ShanaLynch does the same with the OLIne. Throw numbers at the position, as well as learn to draft them better and better each time.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by cciowa:
lynch and kyle need to do everything they can do for trey.. in my opinion. that means getting at least two good o line guys.. a fast wide out.. a fast running back and a very good second tight end

This obviously. Letting the O line go by the wayside, while being proven wrong by the rest of the league as to Jimmy's value adds insult to injury.

i may lose my s**t if i start to hear lynch or kyle start to say .. well it will be open qb competition this year with jimmy and trey. no.. no.. trey is who you drafted for the future.

If this happens then the only explanation is something is terribly wrong with Trey. No other explanation.

i like to look into the future for things that may make me lose my s**t.. but then i do not have to tell you that .. i think that is a wink,. i hate these new icons. they are not like the old ones

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

JG not stopping anything.

Even Lynch said it is….

While trying to trade him.. what do you expect him to say?

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
That's my point, we will be right back here next year if we sign the really inexpensive starters as "insurance policies" for our young guys not being ready and the only reason you think Daniels and Corbett are valuable is because their teams gave them game reps and they performed. Not to mention, Jimmy's contract did not prevent the team from signing 3 year deals to any young player that they thought had the chance to play out the entirety of their contract.

The reality is every team has an OLine problem because most are not ready for the NFL out of college, and the ones who are never make it to free agency until they are past their prime and the ones who are developed by their team and are made into solid starters usually get overpaid in FA.

Like I said, I think the team insulated itself by drafting and developing the guys they have where no matter how bad the guys we have play, they won't be terrible. The good thing about being in that position, is you have a good chance to see if any of those guys are ready to take the next step forward, and which are destined to be backups. With Mack retiring soon, I would say this is the best time to do it. It is not ideal to also be developing a QB at the same time, however, I would bet that no matter how bad the current guys on the team play combined with the draft class, they can't be worse than Cincy was the past 2 seasons.

Daniels and Corbett were both top 40 picks, not UDFAs that just needed a shot. I don't want guys learning on the fly to protect our rookie QB. Neither were costly and no they wouldn't be in the same position next yr…we would have a better OL and can spend draft capital elsewhere.

Brunskill stinks. Compton was awful as a pass-protector. Banks will more than likely be a starter and imo was massively overdrafted and bad when on the field…he wasn't some high traits OG who's raw…he was a multi-yr starter at one of the best college programs at developing lineman.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
JG not stopping anything.

Even Lynch said it is….

While trying to trade him.. what do you expect him to say?

He's saying the truth…if Jimmy remained on the roster it will be hard to be spenders in FA. They chose to hold onto him KNOWING he had surgery. It's pretty damn clear no one was trading for him as soon as that happened. They made their decision and the team is worse for it imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Another move that doesn't do much for the team. Downgrade from key.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Hyder was pretty good for us, even without the help of Bosa. This could be a nice tandem for 2022. The only downside, I doubt they draft a pass rusher this year now

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

JG not stopping anything.

Even Lynch said it is….

While trying to trade him.. what do you expect him to say?

He's saying the truth…if Jimmy remained on the roster it will be hard to be spenders in FA. They chose to hold onto him KNOWING he had surgery. It's pretty damn clear no one was trading for him as soon as that happened. They made their decision and the team is worse for it imo.

The fact you think a GM is telling the truth about anything this time a year is all I need know.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Another move that doesn't do much for the team. Downgrade from key.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Hyder was pretty good for us, even without the help of Bosa. This could be a nice tandem for 2022. The only downside, I doubt they draft a pass rusher this year now

I agree with this take


For $750k in gtd cash it's great. I don't think it makes the team better than last yr though.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
At this point, all we can do is wait and see until OTAs start. Let's see their approach to the draft and go from there.

With the moves they made, it's clear they're doing a youth movement, and Trey is definitely the captain of the movement. Jimmy won't be starting, especially since he won't be ready for OTAs and Trey will have all the reps.

I'm frustrated that we still have Jimmy, but I think we underestimate the players mindset. They know we traded up for Trey and will do everything to support him even with Jimmy. They love jimmy, but they know that Trey is the future. For a of this regimes faults, they did a great job establishing a great culture.

lynch and kyle need to do everything they can do for trey.. in my opinion. that means getting at least two good o line guys.. a fast wide out.. a fast running back and a very good second tight end

So you like the Dolphins approach, to surround Tua with everything he needs before they know if he is the guy?