What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
You think $750k prevents us from bringing Key back? You think signing him would scare Key away and make him think he has no shot to sign a prove it deal with the Niners and be able to actually prove it?

While they're not the same player they both take similar reps. You think key is signing for $750k? Highly doubtful. SF has like $1M left in cap space and still need $9.4M in cap space for rookie contracts. Needs to give extensions to Deebo/Bosa and money just to have for in-season moves.

I think Keys prove it deal is already on the table from the Niners. I think he missed out on the multi year contracts he thought were worth signing, and now he is in the process of getting other teams 1 year offers to see if they are better situations than what he had or to see if he can get the Niners to match a higher offer. Either way, there are ways to gain cap space, and if the Niners are willing to match his offer, he probably won't mind waiting until they clear space

I just don't see the 9ers keeping Jimmy this season. If they can't get a trade by the start of Game 1, my guess is they will release him. But that doesn't mean I think Jimmy is a bad QB - I think he is a solid starter and great team leader; it's just the injured shoulder and his salary is too high for the unknowns about being and staying healthy. At some point this year, I think some teams are gonna wish they hadn't passed on him, though, and some team is gonna be happy they got him.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
I just don't see the 9ers keeping Jimmy this season. If they can't get a trade by the start of Game 1, my guess is they will release him. But that doesn't mean I think Jimmy is a bad QB - I think he is a solid starter and great team leader; it's just the injured shoulder and his salary is too high for the unknowns about being and staying healthy. At some point this year, I think some teams are gonna wish they hadn't passed on him, though, and some team is gonna be happy they got him.

There are a lot of good points in there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Daniels/Corbett are mediocre too. I feel the same way about them or any FA OG that wasn't Brandon Scherff, that you do about Banks. Other than that I totally get your viewpoint.

No they're not mediocre. That's not true at all. Brunskill is BAD and that's not even debatable. Banks was massively over drafted & was reportedly the worst looking lineman on the field during camp, his one preseason game his PBLK score was zero lol…I don't even know how that's possible. He had 5 snaps vs the jags and almost got Lance killed.

If anyone was over paid it was Scherff who's best yrs are behind him. He wasn't special at all this past season.

I prefer having good young proven talent protecting our QB, not unknowns and backup level talent.

I prefer that as well, now, if only there was a way for our young guys to become "proven" and not "unknowns."

People still hanging on hope that a team will trade for Jimmy, lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
He stops the team from rolling over his salary into the future, he doesn't stop them from adding core pieces to multi year deals.

You could also argue that ARI adding Watt, Green, and Butler "stopped" them from resigning Jones and Kirk.

No he doesn't stop them from rolling over cash into 2023. That's not true at all. He stopped them from being spenders this yr (basically choosing to keep him vs not).

AZ wasn't spending $18M per on Kirk regardless of what they had. Again the guys I brought up weren't players in their 30s like you just did with AZ

Sorry I wasn't clear. If he is on the team, they can't do anything with his salary in the future, because it currently belongs to him.

Originally posted by mayo49:
People still hanging on hope that a team will trade for Jimmy, lol.

and then on the other end... you got people starting to plant seeds for lynch saying... well.. its not bad if jimmy stays,, well its not bad if we have competition. well its not bad if he is a back up. well its not bad if trey sets another year..... jesus.. all that stuff is bad in my opinion

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So you like the Dolphins approach, to surround Tua with everything he needs before they know if he is the guy?

What they're doing is providing him with all the weapons so they can see for sure how well he plays before moving on. If they end up cutting or trading him he can't say he didn't have enough playmakers.

But where does that leave the team?

in hell..

I mean... If you give Tua all the weapons and surrounding cast and he succeeds... cool.
If he fails, then you swap him out the new QB arrives with an amazing cast.

For the Rams, they swapped out Goff for Stafford and look where it got them. For us, people are always talking about upgrading from Jimmy, whether it be trying to acquire Rodgers / Brady / Stafford, etc., with that some logic. "Think about what XYZ QB could do with the weapons on the San Francisco offense and with Shanahan calling the plays."

Good for you, Miami.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So you like the Dolphins approach, to surround Tua with everything he needs before they know if he is the guy?

i could care less what other teams do... all i know we traded up to get him so he can play and be the future and not to set around and play checkers again in his second year.. what would you do... not improve the o line. not upgrade the skill position talent and put the kid in a bad spot to begin with. we need a big o line upgrade.. fast running back to help mitchell and deebo. a good second tight end and a fast fast wide out,... i could care less what other teams do and so should you

You don't see the difference between "caring what other teams do" and evaluating whether a strategy is sound or not?

No team can fill all of their holes in one offseason. Mortgaging the future and over paying players to make sure the team can be fully built THIS YEAR around a question mark at QB, is not the most sound strategy for any team.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Did you ever consider there is a reason that the Rams and the bears let them walk? There are obviously not the set it and forget it starters you are making them out to be, and the fact that they signed $8M contracts this early, means those were the best offers on the table for them.

Im not saying the Niners have 4 diamonds in the rough hidden on team at OL, I'm just saying that I would not be surprised of one of those guys ends up outperforming Daniels and Corbett this season, or one turns out to be a solid starter or one ends up getting a contract like Daniels and Corbett do next off season and other teams talk about how their teams missed out on signing them and upgrading their lines for years to come.

The rams who need money to pay for Stafford and other stars and the bears just changed out their GM and HC. Daniels is a zone blocking OG only, they might be going in a different direction. Neither were mediocre and got paid because of it.

like I said you want to hope on a over drafted OG that you more than likely didn't even know existed until he was drafted and a bunch of day 3 UDFA guys…I would rather invest some cash into the position that is meant to protect our massive investment.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I disagree, he obviously is not getting his asking price, so he is gonna sign another prove it deal, he just has to find out which team will showcase his talents the most.

I think Hyder knows there isn't a huge payday waiting for him, which is why he took such a cheap guaranteed contract.

Want to make a bet? You think he will sign for $750k on a one yr deal and I think he will get more than that….what do you want to bet?

hyder is 31 he's not making big money at this pt. Key is 26

I didn't say Key will sign for $750, I said Hyder $750 wouldn't stop the Niners from bringing back Key.

Keys offer from the Niners was probably on the table before Hyder was available,and Key is probably out shopping at least in part for an offer for the Niners to match if he can't find a better team to showcase with.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So you like the Dolphins approach, to surround Tua with everything he needs before they know if he is the guy?

What they're doing is providing him with all the weapons so they can see for sure how well he plays before moving on. If they end up cutting or trading him he can't say he didn't have enough playmakers.

But where does that leave the team?

in hell..

I mean... If you give Tua all the weapons and surrounding cast and he succeeds... cool.
If he fails, then you swap him out the new QB arrives with an amazing cast.

For the Rams, they swapped out Goff for Stafford and look where it got them. For us, people are always talking about upgrading from Jimmy, whether it be trying to acquire Rodgers / Brady / Stafford, etc., with that some logic. "Think about what XYZ QB could do with the weapons on the San Francisco offense and with Shanahan calling the plays."

Good for you, Miami.

Miami is nice city with fine ladies JG will love it there. Trade him there keep giving them our players. I'll take our weapons of best LT in the game, best TE, best and only wideback MVPBO, Aiyuk, Mitchell, best FB over what they got.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
La Canfora says Texans aren't interested

Did they not get film of the Saints game? His flirty postgame interviews? Have they not seen the commercial?

lots of room for growth with Mills

Never mind the neck circumference, he looks like he already got Brooks-to-Brees'd

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So you like the Dolphins approach, to surround Tua with everything he needs before they know if he is the guy?

What they're doing is providing him with all the weapons so they can see for sure how well he plays before moving on. If they end up cutting or trading him he can't say he didn't have enough playmakers.

But where does that leave the team?

in hell..

I mean... If you give Tua all the weapons and surrounding cast and he succeeds... cool.
If he fails, then you swap him out the new QB arrives with an amazing cast.

For the Rams, they swapped out Goff for Stafford and look where it got them. For us, people are always talking about upgrading from Jimmy, whether it be trying to acquire Rodgers / Brady / Stafford, etc., with that some logic. "Think about what XYZ QB could do with the weapons on the San Francisco offense and with Shanahan calling the plays."

Good for you, Miami.

Well if it's that easy, I guess you are right, we got a lot of work to do to catch up to the Dolphins!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Did you ever consider there is a reason that the Rams and the bears let them walk? There are obviously not the set it and forget it starters you are making them out to be, and the fact that they signed $8M contracts this early, means those were the best offers on the table for them.

Im not saying the Niners have 4 diamonds in the rough hidden on team at OL, I'm just saying that I would not be surprised of one of those guys ends up outperforming Daniels and Corbett this season, or one turns out to be a solid starter or one ends up getting a contract like Daniels and Corbett do next off season and other teams talk about how their teams missed out on signing them and upgrading their lines for years to come.

The rams who need money to pay for Stafford and other stars and the bears just changed out their GM and HC. Daniels is a zone blocking OG only, they might be going in a different direction. Neither were mediocre and got paid because of it.

like I said you want to hope on a over drafted OG that you more than likely didn't even know existed until he was drafted and a bunch of day 3 UDFA guys…I would rather invest some cash into the position that is meant to protect our massive investment.

Investing cash, doesn't necessarily equal improvement nor does it mean better protection.

I would rather see what we got, and if it is as bad as you think, pull a Bengals NEXT YEAR and sign every available FA Lineman.

We can check back next offseason and see who performed better, the young Niners or Corbett and Daniels. We can also check back to see if any of our young guys get paid more than they did this year.