What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Ya 27 mil dollars is definitely gonna sit on the bench.

Jimmy said his goodbyes, Lynch talked about trading him, they paid Sudfeld backup money and some people actually think they're gonna keep Jimmy once he's cleared

Let's give a guy $27M of non guaranteed money...who won't get 1st string snaps in OTAs, won't be getting 1st string reps in TC, that the league said nah we don't want him as a starter...we would rather have Wentz/Mariota/Ryan/ACL Winston/Mitch/Lock/Davis Millis/Daniel Jones etc as our starter.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
We better hope. If Trey can't beat out such garbage as Jimmy we are in a world of trouble. I think the anti-Jimmy crowd is terrified.

lol beat out...he's not gonna be here to beat out. He's gone as soon as he passes his physical

Don't think so. He'd be gone right now if they wanted him gone. They never, not once committed to Trey or that Jimmy returning was off the table.

Trey is not ready. He's a 21 year old prospect that played in scrub league for a single season. Shanny and Lynch's job is to win right now and Jimmy gets us to the NFCC while Trey needs his training wheels. The only way we are trading Jimmy is if we get a rightful deal. If not we keep winning with Jimmy even though the fans hate winning for whatever weird reason.

Originally posted by Silky:
Every so often someone comes around and suggests trading Deebo. I cannot fathom how stupid that would be. Our offense would be straight garbage without him

What makes it even dumber is saying we have to trade Deebo to move Jimmy

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I either clearly overestimated Jimmy could get us a 2 or we simply overplayed our hand and turned down a two early and then once the dominoes started falling Jimmy was the last one standing

Trying to help Jimmy but it sure seems like he was more about himself. The team should have been about the business once the season concluded

Jimmy knew he had to play well this season as this was his audition to the rest of the league and this was his last run with the guys

We didn't owe Jimmy anything more than a thank you and the best trade we could make for him

If we ever got a two for him at any point he should have been gone within a week of the first moment we could of moved him no matter what team unless someone could beat it

I'm patient as a fan but free agency has past and we got a couple guys but now we need to get to the business of extending Deebo and Bosa

We still have Jimmy and something tells me that if his shoulder was this bad he either should have sat out the last couple games or immediately had surgery once the season was over

I just can't see how things have been managed properly thus far

Jimmy should have went for a 2. I don't care what the hater say about being right about this..."See I told you he sucked and nobody valued him!" I do not think that was the case. For all the good Lynch has done, I think he and Kyle botched this one. Jimmy is definitely worth ONE 2nd round pick. Maybe not two. I think they may have offended some people and other GM's along the way. maybe asked for a 1st who knows. But he should have went for a 2

The shoulder injury changed the dynamics of trading Jimmy. Nobody expected a shoulder sprain would morph into an offseason injury and a 4+ month rehab. Nobody. You can blame, Jimmy, the 49ers, or both, but in reality - I don't think that was foreseen by either party. The decision to operate was at the worst possible time for the free agency period, and the 49ers and Jimmy are going to have to deal with the consequences of that decision. I don't think Jimmy is owed any favors after that and should be traded for whatever the 49ers can get to free up the cap space needed to sign valuable free agents. I"m with NY85, I don't see Jimmy playing here or backing up Trey. He does have value. Somebody will want him. It's just not going to be the value that the 49ers thought to get from him in a trade previous to his shoulder operation.

The shoulder injury reminds me of that 2011(?) lockout offseason. The Niners hired Harbaugh and it was all but guaranteed we were moving on from Alex Smith. The lockout happened and we had to keep him. Harbaugh tried to say all along the plan was to keep Smith, but his hand was forced. Then Harbaugh turned Smith's career around and we went to the NFCCG that year.

Maybe Lynch and Shanny's hands are tied with Jimmy at this point. I always liked him and defended him, but I know his limitations. I am excited for Trey to start and say bye to Jimmy. I couldn't imagine a scenario we keep Jimmy this offseason, yet here we are.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Ya 27 mil dollars is definitely gonna sit on the bench.

Jimmy said his goodbyes, Lynch talked about trading him, they paid Sudfeld backup money and some people actually think they're gonna keep Jimmy once he's cleared

Let's give a guy $27M of non guaranteed money...who won't get 1st string snaps in OTAs, won't be getting 1st string reps in TC, that the league said nah we don't want him as a starter...we would rather have Wentz/Mariota/Ryan/ACL Winston/Mitch/Lock/Davis Millis/Daniel Jones etc as our starter.

Jimmy has to have some freaking pride as well. Even if for some crazy ass reason we want to keep him, I really doubt he wants to come back.

Originally posted by Giedi:
The shoulder injury changed the dynamics of trading Jimmy. Nobody expected a shoulder sprain would morph into an offseason injury and a 4+ month rehab. Nobody. You can blame, Jimmy, the 49ers, or both, but in reality - I don't think that was foreseen by either party. The decision to operate was at the worst possible time for the free agency period, and the 49ers and Jimmy are going to have to deal with the consequences of that decision. I don't think Jimmy is owed any favors after that and should be traded for whatever the 49ers can get to free up the cap space needed to sign valuable free agents. I"m with NY85, I don't see Jimmy playing here or backing up Trey. He does have value. Somebody will want him. It's just not going to be the value that the 49ers thought to get from him in a trade previous to his shoulder operation.

What trade scenarios do you envision for Jimmy?

Originally posted by nobody49:

forgive if this has already been suggested (been out of pocket lately) but it seems clear to me the only way to get rid of Jimmy is to package him with another player. Someone who would earn at least a first rounder plus. Someone at their peak, just like Buckner. Obviously, I would prefer to keep him, just like I did with Buckner, but hey it's a business. Say goodbye to Deebo.

Or just cut Jimmy and keep Deebo.

Why get rid of Deebo?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by nobody49:
forgive if this has already been suggested (been out of pocket lately) but it seems clear to me the only way to get rid of Jimmy is to package him with another player. Someone who would earn at least a first rounder plus. Someone at their peak, just like Buckner. Obviously, I would prefer to keep him, just like I did with Buckner, but hey it's a business. Say goodbye to Deebo.

Or just cut him and not trade a franchise player...what are we even talking about?

Here was my thinking:
1. Precedent has been established and that was with a more valuable player (in my opinion, I value d-line over wr).
2. This year's draft is loaded with receivers.
3. I keep hearing on tv that the trend of rookie receivers who start and star is not a passing fad. It makes sense with college ball throwing more (not fact checked, just opinion).
4. This year's draft seems very deep on second day, all we have is a glorified third (61 does not impress as a second).
5. I don't believe the FO will fork over the money for both Deebo and Brandon A. That decision looms next year.
6. Cap issues go away and we can take advantage of value FAs.
7. There is a market for top end receivers to be traded. I believe there are teams who lost out on Adams and Hill who would pay a lot.
8. Getting a qb and wr combo that know each other and have thrived (at least as much as Jimmy can lol) is intriguing.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Don't think so. He'd be gone right now if they wanted him gone. They never, not once committed to Trey or that Jimmy returning was off the table.

Trey is not ready. He's a 21 year old prospect that played in scrub league for a single season. Shanny and Lynches job is to win right now and Jimmy gets us to the NFCC while Trey needs training wheels. The only way we are trading Jimmy is if we get a rightful deal. If not we keep winning even though the fans hate winning for whatever weird reason.

Did you listen to Jimmy's last presser? Did you not listen to Lynch talk about moving Jimmy and how they were gonna work together to make it happen? Did you not see that they paid Sudfeld backup money. You DO NOT pay that type of cash for a QB3. Most teams don't even care 3 QBs on the roster unless they're basically free. Their plan was NOT to keep Jimmy and start him in 2022. That ship sailed as soon as he threw his last ball which was an INT.

I'm so f**king tired of hearing so an so isn't ready...it's the biggest BS excuse for the we love Jimmy crowd. You have no clue who's ready...you don't watch the practices. Everything JL/KS have said hasn't lead to "he isn't ready" so cut the crap.

Oh and this is what they said about Trey at the end of the year.

What gives you two confidence that Trey Lance is ready to take over as the starting quarterback, if that's the route you choose to take?

KS: "Just being around him all year. I thought he had the ability we saw in college. We knew it was at a different level and we knew we were very limited on the amount he got to play, especially missing the last year of COVID. So you have to go off what you see on tape and believing in the person and we did. Having him here for a whole year, I feel stronger about that. He's got the ability to do it. He's got the mind to do it. And I think he's the type of person who can handle all the stuff that goes with it."

JL: "Yeah. I would just echo that. He is who we thought he was and probably even stronger. You have to have a lot to you. You have to have a lot of substance to play quarterback in this league both physically and from just a who you are standpoint. And I think Trey checks both those boxes and what you know is the things that Kyle and his staff have identified for Trey on things to work with. This guy's focus, his work ethic. He'll have a plan and it will be a comprehensive one and when you have the talent and you have that ability. Then I think what he showed me is that in the moments, and there were few, but when he had an opportunity to go play, I saw that competitive greatness that you look for in people who are going to lead your organization. And so even though we saw it, however brief it was, I saw it. And so it gives me a lot of belief that it's there and that he's exactly who we thought he was when we picked him. And we're really excited about that."


Maiocco also said Lance will get all the reps in OTAs/TC and the most likely outcome for Jimmy is he will be cut after he passes a physical, unless some team calls in between that time to trade for him.

Lance is the starter in 2022, thoughts and prayers for you.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
We better hope. If Trey can't beat out such garbage as Jimmy we are in a world of trouble. I think the anti-Jimmy crowd is terrified.

lol beat out...he's not gonna be here to beat out. He's gone as soon as he passes his physical

Don't think so. He'd be gone right now if they wanted him gone. They never, not once committed to Trey or that Jimmy returning was off the table.

Trey is not ready. He's a 21 year old prospect that played in scrub league for a single season. Shanny and Lynch's job is to win right now and Jimmy gets us to the NFCC while Trey needs his training wheels. The only way we are trading Jimmy is if we get a rightful deal. If not we keep winning with Jimmy even though the fans hate winning for whatever weird reason.

well you can count this guy out as being a scout ^^^

Originally posted by nobody49:
Here was my thinking:
1. Precedent has been established and that was with a more valuable player (in my opinion, I value d-line over wr).
2. This year's draft is loaded with receivers.
3. I keep hearing on tv that the trend of rookie receivers who start and star is not a passing fad. It makes sense with college ball throwing more (not fact checked, just opinion).
4. This year's draft seems very deep on second day, all we have is a glorified third (61 does not impress as a second).
5. I don't believe the FO will fork over the money for both Deebo and Brandon A. That decision looms next year.
6. Cap issues go away and we can take advantage of value FAs.
7. There is a market for top end receivers to be traded. I believe there are teams who lost out on Adams and Hill who would pay a lot.
8. Getting a qb and wr combo that know each other and have thrived (at least as much as Jimmy can lol) is intriguing.

First off, the cap is going up 20% in 2023. It will reach $250M and in 2024 it will be close to around $300M. Cap space is not an issue going forward. They will have a starting QB on a rookie contract on top of that as well.

Draft picks are what ifs...this team doesn't need what ifs. They HAVE to spend money and clearly they're not doing it in FA. So they spend it on their own. Deebo is SF and Kyle and him are close.

BA has a 5th yr option and won't be due for a new contract for a couple years. Look around the league there's more than one WR getting paid on a team.

You cut Jimmy and there's a massive chunk of Deebo's GTD cash right there. Not sure why everyone thinks he's gonna get Hill/Adams money anyway. Those guys have been elite WRs for years. He will get paid but it's not gonna be $100M.

It makes zero sense and not an option.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off, the cap is going up 20% in 2023. It will reach $250M and in 2024 it will be close to around $300M. Cap space is not an issue going forward. They will have a starting QB on a rookie contract on top of that as well.

Draft picks are what ifs...this team doesn't need what ifs. They HAVE to spend money and clearly they're not doing it in FA. So they spend it on their own. Deebo is SF and Kyle and him are close.

BA has a 5th yr option and won't be due for a new contract for a couple years. Look around the league there's more than one WR getting paid on a team.

You cut Jimmy and there's a massive chunk of Deebo's GTD cash right there. Not sure why everyone thinks he's gonna get Hill/Adams money anyway. Those guys have been elite WRs for years. He will get paid but it's not gonna be $100M.

It makes zero sense and not an option.

All great points!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Don't think so. He'd be gone right now if they wanted him gone. They never, not once committed to Trey or that Jimmy returning was off the table.

Trey is not ready. He's a 21 year old prospect that played in scrub league for a single season. Shanny and Lynches job is to win right now and Jimmy gets us to the NFCC while Trey needs training wheels. The only way we are trading Jimmy is if we get a rightful deal. If not we keep winning even though the fans hate winning for whatever weird reason.

Did you listen to Jimmy's last presser? Did you not listen to Lynch talk about moving Jimmy and how they were gonna work together to make it happen? Did you not see that they paid Sudfeld backup money. You DO NOT pay that type of cash for a QB3. Most teams don't even care 3 QBs on the roster unless they're basically free. Their plan was NOT to keep Jimmy and start him in 2022. That ship sailed as soon as he threw his last ball which was an INT.

I'm so f**king tired of hearing so an so isn't ready...it's the biggest BS excuse for the we love Jimmy crowd. You have no clue who's ready...you don't watch the practices. Everything JL/KS have said hasn't lead to "he isn't ready" so cut the crap.

Oh and this is what they said about Trey at the end of the year.

What gives you two confidence that Trey Lance is ready to take over as the starting quarterback, if that's the route you choose to take?

KS: "Just being around him all year. I thought he had the ability we saw in college. We knew it was at a different level and we knew we were very limited on the amount he got to play, especially missing the last year of COVID. So you have to go off what you see on tape and believing in the person and we did. Having him here for a whole year, I feel stronger about that. He's got the ability to do it. He's got the mind to do it. And I think he's the type of person who can handle all the stuff that goes with it."

JL: "Yeah. I would just echo that. He is who we thought he was and probably even stronger. You have to have a lot to you. You have to have a lot of substance to play quarterback in this league both physically and from just a who you are standpoint. And I think Trey checks both those boxes and what you know is the things that Kyle and his staff have identified for Trey on things to work with. This guy's focus, his work ethic. He'll have a plan and it will be a comprehensive one and when you have the talent and you have that ability. Then I think what he showed me is that in the moments, and there were few, but when he had an opportunity to go play, I saw that competitive greatness that you look for in people who are going to lead your organization. And so even though we saw it, however brief it was, I saw it. And so it gives me a lot of belief that it's there and that he's exactly who we thought he was when we picked him. And we're really excited about that."

.@49ers GM John Lynch on the future of Jimmy G and the progress he's seen from Trey Lance.

"He's everything we thought he was when we traded a lot to go get him." pic.twitter.com/w5Sf0MzJLd

— Good Morning Football (@gmfb) March 2, 2022

Maiocco also said Lance will get all the reps in OTAs/TC and the most likely outcome for Jimmy is he will be cut after he passes a physical, unless some team calls in between that time to trade for him.

Lance is the starter in 2022, thoughts and prayers for you.

Good post but...
Where do they say Jimmy is not coming back and that Trey will be the guy? They never make that commitment and left the door open for a reason.

"I love Jimmy. I'm not going to sit here and make a farewell statement or anything right now, that's the last stuff on my mind, But Jimmy has battled his (expletive) off. He battled today. And he did some unbelievable things today and I love coaching Jimmy."

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I either clearly overestimated Jimmy could get us a 2 or we simply overplayed our hand and turned down a two early and then once the dominoes started falling Jimmy was the last one standing

Trying to help Jimmy but it sure seems like he was more about himself. The team should have been about the business once the season concluded

Jimmy knew he had to play well this season as this was his audition to the rest of the league and this was his last run with the guys

We didn't owe Jimmy anything more than a thank you and the best trade we could make for him

If we ever got a two for him at any point he should have been gone within a week of the first moment we could of moved him no matter what team unless someone could beat it

I'm patient as a fan but free agency has past and we got a couple guys but now we need to get to the business of extending Deebo and Bosa

We still have Jimmy and something tells me that if his shoulder was this bad he either should have sat out the last couple games or immediately had surgery once the season was over

I just can't see how things have been managed properly thus far

Jimmy should have went for a 2. I don't care what the hater say about being right about this..."See I told you he sucked and nobody valued him!" I do not think that was the case. For all the good Lynch has done, I think he and Kyle botched this one. Jimmy is definitely worth ONE 2nd round pick. Maybe not two. I think they may have offended some people and other GM's along the way. maybe asked for a 1st who knows. But he should have went for a 2

The shoulder injury changed the dynamics of trading Jimmy. Nobody expected a shoulder sprain would morph into an offseason injury and a 4+ month rehab. Nobody. You can blame, Jimmy, the 49ers, or both, but in reality - I don't think that was foreseen by either party. The decision to operate was at the worst possible time for the free agency period, and the 49ers and Jimmy are going to have to deal with the consequences of that decision. I don't think Jimmy is owed any favors after that and should be traded for whatever the 49ers can get to free up the cap space needed to sign valuable free agents. I"m with NY85, I don't see Jimmy playing here or backing up Trey. He does have value. Somebody will want him. It's just not going to be the value that the 49ers thought to get from him in a trade previous to his shoulder operation.

The shoulder injury reminds me of that 2011(?) lockout offseason. The Niners hired Harbaugh and it was all but guaranteed we were moving on from Alex Smith. The lockout happened and we had to keep him. Harbaugh tried to say all along the plan was to keep Smith, but his hand was forced. Then Harbaugh turned Smith's career around and we went to the NFCCG that year.

Maybe Lynch and Shanny's hands are tied with Jimmy at this point. I always liked him and defended him, but I know his limitations. I am excited for Trey to start and say bye to Jimmy. I couldn't imagine a scenario we keep Jimmy this offseason, yet here we are.

Agree. I Like Jimmy, and I'd love for Jimmy to back up Trey, but the reason they have to eliminate Jimmy's cap hit, is to get going on the Bosa and Deebo deals. I think signing both Deebo and Bosa to heavily front loaded long term deals is worth more than keeping Jimmy and potentially losing the opportunity to lock in Bosa and Deebo before their market value rises astronomically. With Trey as the future QB 1, Jimmy's value as a backup is severely diminished. He doesn't have the mobility that Trey has. Yes, Sudfelt is signed, but that's only a 2+ million cap hit that can be absorbed easily if Jimmy's cap hit is gone, and they go with a more mobile backup for Trey (Tyrod Taylor, for example).

Bosa and Deebo will probably combined have a contract north of 50 million (30+ million for Bosa and 20+ million for Deebo). Next year (assuming they play with the same level of production) that probably will probably go up another 20+ million (10+ million each). If you can frontload both to long term 5+ year deals, you can now frontload Trey's contract in a couple of years and preserve that cap space for a very long playoff run. Again, your core players are going to be QB, Pass Rusher, and Left tackle. Once you got elite level on those core players, your playoff run is almost guaranteed every year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
well you can count this guy out as being a scout ^^^

His reasoning for him not being ready is comical and clearly he's a bias Jimmy lover. Bummer the league doesn't think like him.

People act like Jimmy did something special here. When in reality he was 29th in the league in passing attempts and lead the league in YAC yards. He was an avg starting NFL QB which doesn't mean he's junk...there were worse situations in the league. He's Alex Smith that turns the ball over more.

So while being 29th in the league in passing with one of the lowest depth attempt rates for years, he has one of the highest INT%. Do people not understand how bad that is? He can't stay on the field either. I thought he would have some sort of market because QB play is that bad...but nope even I was wrong there. No one wants him.

My god if you look at all that and say Lance isn't ready what the f**k do they think his stats are gonna be? 50INTs and 10 passing TDs lol? I was listening to a pod and they said if you take Lance's stats from this yr extrapolate it over the course of a full yr it was something like 5K total yards and 35 total TDs or something around that. Now give the kid an actual off season where he's the one getting all the reps from day 1 and let him play. There will be up and downs, but let's be real Jimmy was a roller-coaster all the same.