What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

But, once he passes his physical he'll lose that injury clause.

Yes, the team is screwed but so is Jimmy. By the time he's healthy, all the teams will have almost all of their rosters filled and cap money spent (the great/above average/average teams will). If we cut him and he goes to free agency, the only teams that can sign him will be below average with at best a qb competition for him. $27M will be a pipe dream on the free market by summer.

Exactly...there is no way we are taking Jimmy's $27m cap hit into the 2022 season when games start being played. His agent and Jimmy have got to realize that the market doesn't look great for him. It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him as a backup QB for Trey at a reduced salary.

Only way we can reduce his salary is if he agrees to it. So JL goes JG you wanna hang around in a hella awkward situation and we will pay you much less and bench you? JG says yup sounds great baby. I don't see this happening. Call me skeptical.

Yup, I absolutely agree. But JG and Yee both have to know the market for his services is pretty barren. So if you are Jimmy and know you aren't getting anywhere near that $27m (that is a given unless he is traded which just doesn't seem likely), would you rather play backup for a year on the 49ers and shoot for a big deal next year or play for some team on an incentive laden 1 year prove it deal on a team doing a rebuild?

Would being a starter in Seattle, Carolina or Atlanta garner him a big contract in 2023? Or would a year backing up Trey get him a better gig in 2023? I think the latter, but that is considering the situation in a vacuum. Maybe he prefers a fresh start than being in a lockerroom where he used to be the man.

Originally posted by banntirr:
Yup, I absolutely agree. But JG and Yee both have to know the market for his services is pretty barren. So if you are Jimmy and know you aren't getting anywhere near that $27m (that is a given unless he is traded which just doesn't seem likely), would you rather play backup for a year on the 49ers and shoot for a big deal next year or play for some team on an incentive laden 1 year prove it deal on a team doing a rebuild?

Would being a starter in Seattle, Carolina or Atlanta garner him a big contract in 2023? Or would a year backing up Trey get him a better gig in 2023? I think the latter, but that is considering the situation in a vacuum. Maybe he prefers a fresh start than being in a lockerroom where he used to be the man.

He isn't getting a big contract coming off a backup role. Unless you are predicting Trey sticks and Jimmy heads in to save the day.

Originally posted by Lott42:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Lott42:
I understand the 7.5 million aspect.
I have seen people mention starting him.
I don't think it is best for the offensive progression to have him on the team for the 2022 season. And I don't understand the mindset of people who do.
That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I haven't seen anyone seriously suggest we bring back and start JG. I think the divide I'm seeing some people want to cut JG like yesterday. Other people want see if JG getting back to 100% health results in a trade market. At the very least getting back to 100% means we avoid paying 7.5 million to a cut player.

Maybe share some of those people legit saying he should start. I think people are saying trade is ideal but if no trade partner maybe we bring him back. Schefter laid out this scenario a while back. If we don't get the trade comp he said we can bring him back and perhaps trade later on or play out the deal and get a comp pick back. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world imo if no trade materializes. Course if Trey is blowing JG away KS sets the depth chart however we have the best chance to win. I expect Lance to start Week 1.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

LOL. What? Lance didn't get us to 2 NFC Championship Games and 1 Super Bowl in 3 years. Jimmy G did that. If we bring Jimmy G back for another year we can make another run. Or we can play a QB who is not ready and likely tanks the season.

Look, I'm not here to instigate. The bolded does not imply starting TL, it implies the opposite. And I'm not going through 877 pages to find more of these types of quotes. I just don't understand this logic as I explained in my original post.

If we bring him back we can make another run. That's just true imo. Sure we can.

Doesn't mean he should start or it is being recommended. Just that if it comes to that we could make a run and we could imo. None of us know what is going on behind the scenes. I think Lance will be ready but I'm sure JL and KS have a better inside knowledge. If they view Lance as not quite ready JG would make sense, that's true.

Jimmy could be waiting two years to be a starter somewhere.He may yet give in and agree to structure something more team friendly.He done ran out of the best options, maybe he never really had great options with his injury history.If he is likely to get cut wouldn't he come out ahead by agreeing to say, half his current salary as a backup for a two year deal? At least he would be employed.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Carolina and Darnold started off good.. injuries took a toll on them.

If i was Carolina, i would try one more year with Darnold and hope C Mac can stay healthy

Per PFF Darnold was the 36th ranked QB this past yr. He was straight awful. He got worse as the season went on. His adjusted completion % was near the bottom of the league with the Hill and Heinicke's of the world. If I'm Jimmy I would love to play there....all you gotta do is be better than that s**t show. They have some good WRs, they made some improvements on the OL and have a young D.

I think he Panthers will over draft a QB in this awful draft class though.

Originally posted by scottym:
Jimmy could be waiting two years to be a starter somewhere.He may yet give in and agree to structure something more team friendly.He done ran out of the best options, maybe he never really had great options with his injury history.If he is likely to get cut wouldn't he come out ahead by agreeing to say, half his current salary as a backup for a two year deal? At least he would be employed.

I don't think so - I think once he get's on a team, he can start pretty quickly.

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

But, once he passes his physical he'll lose that injury clause.

Yes, the team is screwed but so is Jimmy. By the time he's healthy, all the teams will have almost all of their rosters filled and cap money spent (the great/above average/average teams will). If we cut him and he goes to free agency, the only teams that can sign him will be below average with at best a qb competition for him. $27M will be a pipe dream on the free market by summer.

Exactly...there is no way we are taking Jimmy's $27m cap hit into the 2022 season when games start being played. His agent and Jimmy have got to realize that the market doesn't look great for him. It wouldn't be the worst thing to have him as a backup QB for Trey at a reduced salary.

Only way we can reduce his salary is if he agrees to it. So JL goes JG you wanna hang around in a hella awkward situation and we will pay you much less and bench you? JG says yup sounds great baby. I don't see this happening. Call me skeptical.

Yup, I absolutely agree. But JG and Yee both have to know the market for his services is pretty barren. So if you are Jimmy and know you aren't getting anywhere near that $27m (that is a given unless he is traded which just doesn't seem likely), would you rather play backup for a year on the 49ers and shoot for a big deal next year or play for some team on an incentive laden 1 year prove it deal on a team doing a rebuild?

Would being a starter in Seattle, Carolina or Atlanta garner him a big contract in 2023? Or would a year backing up Trey get him a better gig in 2023? I think the latter, but that is considering the situation in a vacuum. Maybe he prefers a fresh start than being in a lockerroom where he used to be the man.

Yeah I think he'd want the fresh start. In FA he can join a team with a shaky starter like Sam Darnold, Mills, Z. Wilson or Lock and try to win that guys job.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

Originally posted by MeddlingKids:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Yup, I absolutely agree. But JG and Yee both have to know the market for his services is pretty barren. So if you are Jimmy and know you aren't getting anywhere near that $27m (that is a given unless he is traded which just doesn't seem likely), would you rather play backup for a year on the 49ers and shoot for a big deal next year or play for some team on an incentive laden 1 year prove it deal on a team doing a rebuild?

Would being a starter in Seattle, Carolina or Atlanta garner him a big contract in 2023? Or would a year backing up Trey get him a better gig in 2023? I think the latter, but that is considering the situation in a vacuum. Maybe he prefers a fresh start than being in a lockerroom where he used to be the man.

He isn't getting a big contract coming off a backup role. Unless you are predicting Trey sticks and Jimmy heads in to save the day.

Probably not, but it really is about what situation would maximize his value. Would being a backup to Trey, filling in for a couple of games due to injuries, help him on his next contract or playing on some team doing a rebuild where he doesn't do well? Jimmy is better than Mariota, but would playing in Atlanta for a season make him look better? Seattle?

I mean I think it is unlikely he stays on a re-structured contract, but it worth thinking about.

It's the torn shoulder, surgery, recovery and rehabilitation. He's not cleared to play right now. Other teams have said so. That's what they are concerned about. He wins a lot more than those scrubs who got picked up ahead of him.

Yeah we can't trade him right now. We can if we keep him on the roster. Somebody will get hurt in season. Then there is a trade market for Jimmy G. It will be some kind of picks for next year. Which is fine.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Per PFF Darnold was the 36th ranked QB this past yr. He was straight awful. He got worse as the season went on. His adjusted completion % was near the bottom of the league with the Hill and Heinicke's of the world. If I'm Jimmy I would love to play there....all you gotta do is be better than that s**t show. They have some good WRs, they made some improvements on the OL and have a young D.

I think he Panthers will over draft a QB in this awful draft class though.

They aren't going to go far anyway so they can afford to reach for a QB. If he doesn't pan out they can draft anther one next year since thye will probably have a pretty high pick.

Originally posted by banntirr:
Probably not, but it really is about what situation would maximize his value. Would being a backup to Trey, filling in for a couple of games due to injuries, help him on his next contract or playing on some team doing a rebuild where he doesn't do well? Jimmy is better than Mariota, but would playing in Atlanta for a season make him look better? Seattle?

I mean I think it is unlikely he stays on a re-structured contract, but it worth thinking about.

Him staying healthy for a full season as a starter would maximize his next contract. A couple games of fill in wouldn't do much for his stock.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think he would do 100x better than darnold, but carolina isn't in position to make a deep run like the other 3. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait for the right opportinity then to start for the wrong team.

None of those other teams wanted him so it doesn't matter what he wants end of the day. Not every QB get's to pick where they get to play let alone start. Jimmy isn't Rogers/Brady/Wilson etc. Go start for a NFL organization, be better than the last guy and you will make some cash. He's not making more money by being a backup this yr and more than likely doesn't get that here either. I mean I'm sure he'd love to sit on the bench and collect $27M lol.

Go make the Panthers better. I mean that's what all of you are telling me, he's some great QB that just wins...well prove it. THAT'S how you get paid.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If we bring him back we can make another run. That's just true imo. Sure we can.

Doesn't mean he should start or it is being recommended. Just that if it comes to that we could make a run and we could imo. None of us know what is going on behind the scenes. I think Lance will be ready but I'm sure JL and KS have a better inside knowledge. If they view Lance as not quite ready JG would make sense, that's true.

Jeremy Fowler said that behind closed doors people in SF have told Lance he's the guy. So let's put the he's not ready stuff to bed....we clearly don't need him to be Mahomes to get to the NFCC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
None of those other teams wanted him so it doesn't matter what he wants end of the day. Not every QB get's to pick where they get to play let alone start. Jimmy isn't Rogers/Brady/Wilson etc. Go start for a NFL organization, be better than the last guy and you will make some cash. He's not making more money by being a backup this yr and more than likely doesn't get that here either. I mean I'm sure he'd love to sit on the bench and collect $27M lol.

Go make the Panthers better. I mean that's what all of you are telling me, he's some great QB that just wins...well prove it. THAT'S how you get paid.

There's no way he would do well in Carolina without Kyle calling the plays and Deebo and Kittle racking up the yards after the catch. McCaffery would be his best target but he has health issues too.