What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Having 2 QB'S who can play is not that bad you guys. Often a guy goes down and tanks the whole season. You mostly massively over pay in FA. We can extend our guys on contracts loaded towards future years. Like Deebo and Kittle. It doesn't prevent that. He will be off the books after next year.

If there is an injury he can play. Or play if Lance isn't ready.

This situation is not nearly as bad as claimed here.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There's no way he would do well in Carolina without Kyle calling the plays and Deebo and Kittle racking up the yards after the catch. McCaffery would be his best target but he has health issues too.

If he plays 17 games and does better than Darnold that will get him more money in 2023 then just holding a clipboard with a few apperances with the 9ers.

Look at it from another teams perspective. The biggest two things i'd want to see from Jimmy would be how he fares without Kyle and can he stay healthy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There's no way he would do well in Carolina without Kyle calling the plays and Deebo and Kittle racking up the yards after the catch. McCaffery would be his best target but he has health issues too.

If he plays 17 games and does better than Darnold that will get him more money in 2023 then just holding a clipboard with a few apperances with the 9ers.

Look at it from another teams perspective. The biggest two things i'd want to see from Jimmy would be how he fares without Kyle and can he stay healthy.

He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
If we bring him back we can make another run. That's just true imo. Sure we can.

Doesn't mean he should start or it is being recommended. Just that if it comes to that we could make a run and we could imo. None of us know what is going on behind the scenes. I think Lance will be ready but I'm sure JL and KS have a better inside knowledge. If they view Lance as not quite ready JG would make sense, that's true.

Jeremy Fowler said that behind closed doors people in SF have told Lance he's the guy. So let's put the he's not ready stuff to bed....we clearly don't need him to be Mahomes to get to the NFCC.

Yup and he will be on an elite level imo. Just saying we don't know what the future holds. I mean if we get to camp and he regresses that would be another story. Don't see that happening but could it happen, I suppose.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the torn shoulder, surgery, recovery and rehabilitation. He's not cleared to play right now. Other teams have said so. That's what they are concerned about. He wins a lot more than those scrubs who got picked up ahead of him.

Yeah we can't trade him right now. We can if we keep him on the roster. Somebody will get hurt in season. Then there is a trade market for Jimmy G. It will be some kind of picks for next year. Which is fine.

Yet teams had no problem giving out a ton of cash to Gallup/Godwin/Wintson who all had worse injuries and are recovering all the same. He wins because all he has to do is not be a backup level QB. Just be better than Beathard/Mullen/Hoyer. He's 29th in the league in passing attempts. We're winning playoff games with him making 6 completions. 20 TDs to 12 INTs is not some amazing thing.

LOL there's a trade market if guys lose there starting QB in TC...that's your sales pitch? Look the only thing I agree with is at this point it doesn't make sense to cut him...the good FAs are gone. Barrow's believes that Jimmy won't even be in the bay area for OTAs and will be recovering in LA. The moment he's cleared if no one magically tosses out a trade offer he will be cut and that cash will be rolled over into this season to pay for rookie contracts ($9.5M needed) and invested back into the team.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Probably not, but it really is about what situation would maximize his value. Would being a backup to Trey, filling in for a couple of games due to injuries, help him on his next contract or playing on some team doing a rebuild where he doesn't do well? Jimmy is better than Mariota, but would playing in Atlanta for a season make him look better? Seattle?

I mean I think it is unlikely he stays on a re-structured contract, but it worth thinking about.

Him staying healthy for a full season as a starter would maximize his next contract. A couple games of fill in wouldn't do much for his stock.

Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There's no way he would do well in Carolina without Kyle calling the plays and Deebo and Kittle racking up the yards after the catch. McCaffery would be his best target but he has health issues too.

DJ Moore is a damn good WR. He's good for 1K every yr even with s**tty Darnold/Newton throwing him the ball. CMC dump offs for days. Anderson is a decent WR. They draft Marshall this past yr in the 2nd.

They invested in OL this FA. Upgraded at center and RG. They have a good RT and I wouldn't be shocked if they get a top LT in the 1st (if not QB).

All he's gotta do is be better than Sam and get them above .500 and he's gonna make some cash....oh and stay healthy for once. He's not in a position to be turning down starting jobs IMO.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

Played 2 games then got hurt for New England. It was the upside that the 9ers traded for. There is no upside left. So teams that would consider him would want to see can what he can do without Kyle.

A 2 game sample playing as our backup might not even get him a shot as a starter anywhere.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

He played 1 and 1/2 games lol.

college you mean FCS much like our new QB Lance? I thought that didn't count lol.

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by nobody49:
forgive if this has already been suggested (been out of pocket lately) but it seems clear to me the only way to get rid of Jimmy is to package him with another player. Someone who would earn at least a first rounder plus. Someone at their peak, just like Buckner. Obviously, I would prefer to keep him, just like I did with Buckner, but hey it's a business. Say goodbye to Deebo.

Or just cut him and not trade a franchise player...what are we even talking about?

Every so often someone comes around and suggests trading Deebo. I cannot fathom how stupid that would be. Our offense would be straight garbage without him

I agree with you that trading Deebo is a stupid idea. But the only reason the bolded is accurate is because we had a quarterback who was either not willing or incapable of throwing the ball to a wide open Kittle or Aiyuk down the field...which basically happened every single game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
There's no way he would do well in Carolina without Kyle calling the plays and Deebo and Kittle racking up the yards after the catch. McCaffery would be his best target but he has health issues too.

DJ Moore is a damn good WR. He's good for 1K every yr even with s**tty Darnold/Newton throwing him the ball. CMC dump offs for days. Anderson is a decent WR. They draft Marshall this past yr in the 2nd.

They invested in OL this FA. Upgraded at center and RG. They have a good RT and I wouldn't be shocked if they get a top LT in the 1st (if not QB).

All he's gotta do is be better than Sam and get them above .500 and he's gonna make some cash....oh and stay healthy for once. He's not in a position to be turning down starting jobs IMO.

I fully agree. Of the remaining options, Carolina is the only one where Jimmy could really do well and improve the team. My only concern is that Carolina would have to figure out the Darnold situation. If he is cut, that $18m salary remains on the books. We certainly aren't gonna swap out Jimmy for Darnold for only $9m in cap relief unless we get a first round pick or something as well (one can hope).

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

One game in NE before getting hurt in the next is doing well? And yet you rip Trey for not being ready after two games. Did well at Eastern Illinois and yet you rip Trey for doing well at NDSU? 🤡