What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

What? No doctor is making you get a surgery you don't have to get, they try to see if you can rehab it first. Case in point with his thumb, he rehabbed it and he didn't end up needing surgery. They thought his shoulder would get better and it didn't.

It's not like he had a torn ACL and could do anything. He could throw a ball and played through it during the playoffs. Why would he get surgery then? He hurt it during the Dallas playoff game....if even he got the surgery the next day (which would never happen for that shoulder issue) he still wouldn't pass a physical in time.

The timeline for you conspiracy theory don't add up my dude. Him getting surgery actually hurt his value and ability to get more GTD cash this off season. $7.5M is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of what he could have gotten in GTD if he got traded/extended or played on his $27M which is not happening now.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

Yea okay

That's one way to spin it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

There is no trade partner.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

There is no trade partner.

He'll won't be able to throw for 3 months - no one is going to trade for him right now.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

His conspiracy theory doesn't add up either...if he got surgery say the end of January which was right after the Dallas game. He would have been out for around 4 months all the same. As of right now he still won't have passed a physical either way.

He tried to rehab it like the thumb which actually got better. The shoulder wasn't even looked at as a massive thing during the playoffs to begin with, it didn't recover on it's own. Got the surgery and here we are.

It's really not that deep. $7.5M is not some massive thing for a guy that was looking for that $27M and a extension. He's already got over $100M in earnings.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

What? No doctor is making you get a surgery you don't have to get, they try to see if you can rehab it first. Case in point with his thumb, he rehabbed it and he didn't end up needing surgery. They thought his shoulder would get better and it didn't.

It's not like he had a torn ACL and could do anything. He could throw a ball and played through it during the playoffs. Why would he get surgery then? He hurt it during the Dallas playoff game....if even he got the surgery the next day (which would never happen for that shoulder issue) he still wouldn't pass a physical in time.

The timeline for you conspiracy theory don't add up my dude. Him getting surgery actually hurt his value and ability to get more GTD cash this off season. $7.5M is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of what he could have gotten in GTD if he got traded/extended or played on his $27M which is not happening now.

Jimmy never factored in being cut, but trust me his agents knew no other teams were interested.

So he went to plan b. activate the injury clause.

He could have had the surgery after being traded but instead he had it a week before free agency started... hmm

LOL

Originally posted by banntirr:
99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

Lynch and Jimmy both said at the end of the season presser that they would all be working together to find him a home. So yes that means Yee, Jimmy and our FO were all looking for a team to get jimmy and make sense for all parties. That place didn't exist end of the day.

Jimmy if cut isn't gonna come back and be a back for the team he was just the starter of. He said his goodbyes.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

There is no trade partner.

He'll won't be able to throw for 3 months - no one is going to trade for him right now.

Saints signed Jameis Winston who is rehabbing from an injury.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

Yea okay

That's one way to spin it.

The guy I responded to said he could have gotten surg during the regular season. That guy also mentioned thumb injury which was Titans game. Just saying if we follow that guys logic thru and he chose to play over surg at the time then that's a team first decision. Any way you look at it JG played through pain / injury which is admirable, imo.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

There is no trade partner.

He'll won't be able to throw for 3 months - no one is going to trade for him right now.

Saints signed Jameis Winston who is rehabbing from an injury.

He's up and running, though.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

That was 3 major injuries and 5+ years ago. Her also had a great OC in NE.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by banntirr:
Him staying healthy and playing well would maximize his next contract...I totally agree. If instead he sucks, or doesn't prove he is better than a marginal starter, I can't see him ever as being viewed as a QB to build your franchise around.

It seems he is viewed around the league at the same tier Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andy Daltons (both still unsigned and not gonna get anything but backup money). So if we don't find a trade partner and cut Jimmy, what is his market? Compete against Darnold or Mariota? What about Baker and where he lands? Start in Seattle in full rebuild in our division? I mean ultimately he is an athlete and he has to believe in himself, so if he gets an opportunity to compete for a starting job he is gonna take it, but it won't be until July that he is healthy and passes a physical. What is the market going to be like? If that market is just to be a backup, then why not be a backup on the team you took to a SB and a NFCCG?

Like NY I don't think he will be here. They will cut him as soon as he's healthy if there are no takers.

99% sure you are both right. I just wouldn't rule out the possibility him re-signing after he is cut because he doesn't get A) an opportunity to compete as a starter or B) doesn't like the fit of a potential suitor.

Did it ever get announced that Yee/Jimmy was free to find a trade partner? I assume the Niner's FO gave them permission, I just don't recall ever reading that. Not sure it matters or not, but Jimmy has to be having some doubts about his worth around the league.

There is no trade partner.

He'll won't be able to throw for 3 months - no one is going to trade for him right now.

Saints signed Jameis Winston who is rehabbing from an injury.

He's up and running, though.

Yup saw vid of him throwing a while back.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy never factored in being cut, but trust me his agents knew no other teams were interested.

So he went to plan b. activate the injury clause.

He could have had the surgery after being traded but instead he had it a week before free agency started... hmm

LOL

Why would he not factor being cut...that's always a possibility especially when you don't have a good chunk of GTD cash and there's a QB in place.

Do you not understand he would have failed a physical with or without the surgery? Team A trades for Jimmy, he goes for his physical fails it and the trade is then off.

Him getting surgery in January would have changed nothing. Him not getting surgery changes nothing. Shoulder injury to his throwing arm = failed physical. period.

Your conspiracy theory has no teeth behind it not matter how much you keep changing it lol

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I think he would do 100x better than darnold, but carolina isn't in position to make a deep run like the other 3. Sometimes it's better to sit and wait for the right opportinity then to start for the wrong team.

LOL