What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by mayo49:
He's up and running, though.

Which means nothing...he won't be active for OTAs and might not be for TC either. It's all about reacting quickly on a ACL. It will be similar to what SF did with Bosa during TC. He was "active" but did next to nothing at the beginning.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

What? No doctor is making you get a surgery you don't have to get, they try to see if you can rehab it first. Case in point with his thumb, he rehabbed it and he didn't end up needing surgery. They thought his shoulder would get better and it didn't.

It's not like he had a torn ACL and could do anything. He could throw a ball and played through it during the playoffs. Why would he get surgery then? He hurt it during the Dallas playoff game....if even he got the surgery the next day (which would never happen for that shoulder issue) he still wouldn't pass a physical in time.

The timeline for you conspiracy theory don't add up my dude. Him getting surgery actually hurt his value and ability to get more GTD cash this off season. $7.5M is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of what he could have gotten in GTD if he got traded/extended or played on his $27M which is not happening now.

Jimmy never factored in being cut, but trust me his agents knew no other teams were interested.

So he went to plan b. activate the injury clause.

He could have had the surgery after being traded but instead he had it a week before free agency started... hmm

LOL

Not sure why we have to besmirch Jimmy's character like that. Dude was a warrior for us this season, from the final regular season game through the playoffs. We can cut Jimmy at any time before the start of the season and save $25.5m. If what you are saying about his agent knowing there was no trade market for him, why even "activate the injury clause"?

Without the surgery he wouldn't have been able to pass a physical which would probably null any trade. And in "activating the injury clause" he just reaffirms the "injury prone" tag that has been echoing around him for years lowering his value.

I guess the only way your scenario works is if he knew he had no trade market and was gonna get cut so he got surgery hoping the 49ers would cut him while he was injured for $7.5m. Instead the 49ers are waiting for him to be healthy so they can cut him so his plan backfired and his value has gone down. Good plan Jimmy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

Yea okay

That's one way to spin it.

The guy I responded to said he could have gotten surg during the regular season. That guy also mentioned thumb injury which was Titans game. Just saying if we follow that guys logic thru and he chose to play over surg at the time then that's a team first decision. Any way you look at it JG played through pain / injury which is admirable, imo.

Playing through pain/injury, we could say this about every player in the NFL but Jimmy G is almost always hurt so activating the injury clause was easy for him.

We can probably thank T. Lance for making JG's decision to play during the playoffs (which also showed that JG could have still threw the ball for interested teams if there were any teams interested). But instead he and his agent cooked up a scheme to activate the injury clause.

Smart move for them, but it's hurting us in free agency.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy was smart for activating that injury clause, he knows how to play the game. He knows he will never see a contract like his current deal ever again so why not squeeze out every penny?

They drafted a QB, he activated the injury clause, what is the next move by either party...?

he can't play football without getting surgery lol. He wouldn't have passed a physical either way. So you're saying Jimmy is smart for getting hurt last season?

He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

Yup he chose to keep playing through it for the club over getting his body right in time for the offseason. Speaks volumes to what JG is all about imo. He's paying the price now but knowing JG if he had to do it again he'd do it the same.

Yea okay

That's one way to spin it.

The guy I responded to said he could have gotten surg during the regular season. That guy also mentioned thumb injury which was Titans game. Just saying if we follow that guys logic thru and he chose to play over surg at the time then that's a team first decision. Any way you look at it JG played through pain / injury which is admirable, imo.

Playing through pain/injury, we could say this about every player in the NFL but Jimmy G is almost always hurt so activating the injury clause was easy for him.

We can probably thank T. Lance for making JG's decision to play during the playoffs (which also showed that JG could have still threw the ball for interested teams if there were any teams interested). But instead he and his agent cooked up a scheme to activate the injury clause.

Smart move for them, but it's hurting us in free agency.

No crazy scheme...

Just a guy who is injury prone playing through injury on a near quest to get #6 we nearly had it.. I think next year we will get it.

It's hurting JG too right now I'm sure he would love to have a club and a new home a week ago. Being in limbo not knowing where you will live next week or month is not ideal even for a guy with $137m in the bank and his own Subway sandwich.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He did well in New England without Kyle and in College too. Stay healthy is his main issue.

Played 2 games then got hurt for New England. It was the upside that the 9ers traded for. There is no upside left. So teams that would consider him would want to see can what he can do without Kyle.

A 2 game sample playing as our backup might not even get him a shot as a starter anywhere.

Kyle is not some magic man. He loses almost all the big games he has ever been in. Jimmy G did great in New England and in College. He doesn't need Kyle.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Playing through pain/injury, we could say this about every player in the NFL but Jimmy G is almost always hurt so activating the injury clause was easy for him.

We can probably thank T. Lance for making JG's decision to play during the playoffs (which also showed that JG could have still threw the ball for interested teams if there were any teams interested). But instead he and his agent cooked up a scheme to activate the injury clause.

Smart move for them, but it's hurting us in free agency.

Cooked up a scheme Hey go get thrown to the ground and tear your capsule in the back of your shoulder. It's cool you will get $7.5M which is WAY less then what you would get if you were healthy and traded.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy never factored in being cut, but trust me his agents knew no other teams were interested.

So he went to plan b. activate the injury clause.

He could have had the surgery after being traded but instead he had it a week before free agency started... hmm

LOL

Why would he not factor being cut...that's always a possibility especially when you don't have a good chunk of GTD cash and there's a QB in place.

Do you not understand he would have failed a physical with or without the surgery? Team A trades for Jimmy, he goes for his physical fails it and the trade is then off.

Him getting surgery in January would have changed nothing. Him not getting surgery changes nothing. Shoulder injury to his throwing arm = failed physical. period.

Your conspiracy theory has no teeth behind it not matter how much you keep changing it lol

Originally posted by banntirr:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He could have got the surgery during the regular season or the playoffs, the injury reports mentioned his thumb late in the season.

Instead he delayed it and then used the surgery to activate his injury clause.

BRILLIANT!

What? No doctor is making you get a surgery you don't have to get, they try to see if you can rehab it first. Case in point with his thumb, he rehabbed it and he didn't end up needing surgery. They thought his shoulder would get better and it didn't.

It's not like he had a torn ACL and could do anything. He could throw a ball and played through it during the playoffs. Why would he get surgery then? He hurt it during the Dallas playoff game....if even he got the surgery the next day (which would never happen for that shoulder issue) he still wouldn't pass a physical in time.

The timeline for you conspiracy theory don't add up my dude. Him getting surgery actually hurt his value and ability to get more GTD cash this off season. $7.5M is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of what he could have gotten in GTD if he got traded/extended or played on his $27M which is not happening now.

Jimmy never factored in being cut, but trust me his agents knew no other teams were interested.

So he went to plan b. activate the injury clause.

He could have had the surgery after being traded but instead he had it a week before free agency started... hmm

LOL

Not sure why we have to besmirch Jimmy's character like that. Dude was a warrior for us this season, from the final regular season game through the playoffs. We can cut Jimmy at any time before the start of the season and save $25.5m. If what you are saying about his agent knowing there was no trade market for him, why even "activate the injury clause"?

Without the surgery he wouldn't have been able to pass a physical which would probably null any trade. And in "activating the injury clause" he just reaffirms the "injury prone" tag that has been echoing around him for years lowering his value.

I guess the only way your scenario works is if he knew he had no trade market and was gonna get cut so he got surgery hoping the 49ers would cut him while he was injured for $7.5m. Instead the 49ers are waiting for him to be healthy so they can cut him so his plan backfired and his value has gone down. Good plan Jimmy

I see these talking points, but how do you know he wouldn't pass a physical? The only people that would know that he wouldn't pas a physical would be JG, his agents, and his doctor. He was cleared to play in the NFCCG, and he threw the ball so what makes you think he couldn't pass a physical?

Jimmy G Chose to have surgery when he had it done, which means it was his choice (perfect timing to activate the injury clause since the no trade clause was expiring).

He and his agents activated the injury clause and guess what? He still hasn't been cut, it's not a good option for our F/O to cut him and JG's team knew it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Playing through pain/injury, we could say this about every player in the NFL but Jimmy G is almost always hurt so activating the injury clause was easy for him.

We can probably thank T. Lance for making JG's decision to play during the playoffs (which also showed that JG could have still threw the ball for interested teams if there were any teams interested). But instead he and his agent cooked up a scheme to activate the injury clause.

Smart move for them, but it's hurting us in free agency.

Cooked up a scheme Hey go get thrown to the ground and tear your capsule in the back of your shoulder. It's cool you will get $7.5M which is WAY less then what you would get if you were healthy and traded.

Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I see these talking points, but how do you know he wouldn't pass a physical? The only people that would know that he wouldn't pas a physical would be JG, his agents, and his doctor. He was cleared to play in the NFCCG, and he threw the ball so what makes you think he couldn't pass a physical?

Jimmy G Chose to have surgery when he had it done, which means it was his choice (perfect timing to activate the injury clause since the no trade clause was expiring).

He and his agents activated the injury clause and guess what? He still hasn't been cut, it's not a good option for our F/O to cut him and JG's team knew it.

Dude he had a tear in his shoulder that wasn't getting better...hence the surgery. He would have failed his physical all the same. "cleared" to play is not the same as passing a physical man...let's cut the crap. Players play with broken bones, high ankle sprains, sprained MCLs etc...f**king Phillip rivers played on a torn ACL. That DOES NOT, I repeat does not mean he would pass a physical for a new team that just traded for him. There is a massive difference.

Him getting surgery the day after he got hurt would have NOT changed the timeline of passing a physical regardless...how many times do I have to repeat that for you to get it. He wouldn't pass a physical right now if he got it end of January...let alone weeks ago in a trade.

No matter how many times you try and change whatever your trying to do...it doesn't make it true. Look I'm the furthest thing from a Jimmy fan. He played his nuts off in the playoffs and did it at less then 100%. He trying to win games in the playoffs and get to a SB like most players do. He got hurt and it turned out to be worse then people thought. quit acting like him getting $7.5M is a better outcome for a guy that has $27M right there if he is actually healthy. He LOST money by getting surgery and not getting traded.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I see these talking points, but how do you know he wouldn't pass a physical? The only people that would know that he wouldn't pas a physical would be JG, his agents, and his doctor. He was cleared to play in the NFCCG, and he threw the ball so what makes you think he couldn't pass a physical?

Jimmy G Chose to have surgery when he had it done, which means it was his choice (perfect timing to activate the injury clause since the no trade clause was expiring).

He and his agents activated the injury clause and guess what? He still hasn't been cut, it's not a good option for our F/O to cut him and JG's team knew it.

It was well documented that he had an injury to both the shoulder and thumb. So pretty sure any team willing to give up draft capital and take on his salary would take a close look at the shoulder and thumb.

It is also documented that he did indeed need surgery. So unless your contention is that the doctor / Jimmy lied about the severity of the injury, it seems that surgery was required for a legitimate injury.

Would he still have passed a physical, considering this injury? No, but a team could have still traded for Jimmy knowing about the injury, that is why I said it would probably null any trade.

I am a Jimmy fan, so maybe I am giving him too much credit. But with how he handled last season (it could have tanked our season had Jimmy let it create a divide and drama in the lockerroom with Trey being drafted), the playing through injury at the end of the season and playoffs, I am gonna give him the benefit of the doubt he isn't trying to screw us over.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.

You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.

You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.

He would have needed to be traded in order to see if he would have passed a physical.

Activating that injury clause after the no trade clause was a great strategy on the part of JG and his agent. Doing it a week before free agency was a way of sticking it to our front office.

he could have had the surgery after being traded, he would have passed a physical just fine even with the shoulder.thumb injuries. But he and his agent knew there were no takers in the trade market.

Smart move by JG and his team man...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.

You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.

LOL why are you still trying man? Do you think there is any possibility of changing his mind?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.

You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.

LOL why are you still trying man? Do you think there is any possibility of changing his mind?

It's not about changing my mind, it's about trying to change the facts; JG chose to have surgery a week before free agency after his agent did his research and found that there were no takers.

injury clause activated right after the no trade clause expired.

FACTS

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?

Never came out of the game once.

Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.

You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.

LOL why are you still trying man? Do you think there is any possibility of changing his mind?

It's not about changing my mind, it's about trying to change the facts; JG chose to have surgery a week before free agency after his agent did his research and found that there were no takers.

injury clause activated right after the no trade clause expired.

FACTS

The only FACT that matters is he wouldn't have passed any physical.