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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by ltrain:
I think this thread has reached the 5th circle of hell: wrath and sullenness. Looking forward to the violence of getting to the 9th.
What circle nets us a draft pick?
Originally posted by glorydayz:
You do know Jimmy G never failed a physical, right?
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by ltrain:
I think this thread has reached the 5th circle of hell: wrath and sullenness. Looking forward to the violence of getting to the 9th.
What circle nets us a draft pick?
A circle in a different universe that values oft injured, average QBs with bloated salaries.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by banntirr:
I see where you going with this, but aside from denigrating Jimmy's character, I wonder even if he didn't have surgery if the Niners could have cut him without triggering the $7.5m guarantee for injury. We may need someone like AB (or another contract expert) to chime in, but pretty sure if Jimmy didn't get the surgery and we cut him 03/16 (pretty sure that was the beginning of the league year,) he wouldn't have passed a physical and thus the guarantee for injury would have been triggered anyway.
So his decision to get surgery wouldn't have changed where we are right now anyway.
You do know Jimmy G never failed a physical, right?
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by ltrain:
I think this thread has reached the 5th circle of hell: wrath and sullenness. Looking forward to the violence of getting to the 9th.
What circle nets us a draft pick?
A circle in a different universe that values oft injured, average QBs with bloated salaries.
Lol that circle jerk exists on this board
It must be March.Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Must be a carer ending injury if a starting NFL QB hurt his shoulder and it turns off every team in the NFL to the point where Mitchell Trubisky is considered before him.
Getting the surgery assured him something rather than nothing. If no one is interested and he gets cut, well...
Activating that Injury Clause after the no trade clause expired was very strategic.
What are you talking about?
Getting the surgery helps him get better so he can resume his career. If he get's cut someone will sign him and that $7.5M comes back to SF in the form of a credit in 2023 any way. He's gonna make that cash at some point, you're acting like he's never gonna make $7.5M and be done playing football, with this stupid take.
his no-trade clause was never a thing...any trade is only valid once the new season starts. So trying to bring that up as something in pointless. You're acting like Jimmy doesn't want to be a starter somewhere and make money.
He wants his $27M and more and that can only happen if he's healthy only way that can happen is with surgery. It wasn't healing on it's own and he wouldn't pass a physical regardless.
There was nothing strategic about being worthless in the trade market dying for starting QBs and more than likely losing his $27M. My god you'd be a horrible agent.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Must be a carer ending injury if a starting NFL QB hurt his shoulder and it turns off every team in the NFL to the point where Mitchell Trubisky is considered before him.
Getting the surgery assured him something rather than nothing. If no one is interested and he gets cut, well...
Activating that Injury Clause after the no trade clause expired was very strategic.
What are you talking about?
Getting the surgery helps him get better so he can resume his career. If he get's cut someone will sign him and that $7.5M comes back to SF in the form of a credit in 2023 any way. He's gonna make that cash at some point, you're acting like he's never gonna make $7.5M and be done playing football, with this stupid take.
his no-trade clause was never a thing...any trade is only valid once the new season starts. So trying to bring that up as something in pointless. You're acting like Jimmy doesn't want to be a starter somewhere and make money.
He wants his $27M and more and that can only happen if he's healthy only way that can happen is with surgery. It wasn't healing on it's own and he wouldn't pass a physical regardless.
There was nothing strategic about being worthless in the trade market dying for starting QBs and more than likely losing his $27M. My god you'd be a horrible agent.
If I was an agent, I would want to be just like Jimmy G's agent.
Strategic - turning no trade clauses and injury clauses into guaranteed $$$$$$$
Unlike Jimmy G's agent, I would then hire a PR firm to have guys go on social media sites and claim that my client "wouldn't have passed a physical".
I would be considered brilliant and shrewd! Hmm
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Above average 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he's so above average teams will go after every qb besides him. I'm dead
He's injured. He's also better than Lock, Mariota, Darnold, Trubisky, Winston, and maybe Wentz. So he's still a better starter than 5 new starters. But injured he's behind all of them.
Lmao so ty u prove my point. If he's only better then a few starters that puts him in the below average/ straight up trash range.
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Above average 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he's so above average teams will go after every qb besides him. I'm dead
He's injured. He's also better than Lock, Mariota, Darnold, Trubisky, Winston, and maybe Wentz. So he's still a better starter than 5 new starters. But injured he's behind all of them.
Lmao so ty u prove my point. If he's only better then a few starters that puts him in the below average/ straight up trash range.
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by RidetheHyde:
Above average 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he's so above average teams will go after every qb besides him. I'm dead
He's injured. He's also better than Lock, Mariota, Darnold, Trubisky, Winston, and maybe Wentz. So he's still a better starter than 5 new starters. But injured he's behind all of them.
Lmao so ty u prove my point. If he's only better then a few starters that puts him in the below average/ straight up trash range.
What are you going to do with yourselves with another year of Jimmy?
What are you gonna do with yourself when he's out of the league in 2 years ?
Stick up against your guys hatred towards Trey. It's only a matter of time until you turn on him.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Where are you getting all of this medical information from? He looked fine losing the NFCCG didn't he?
Never came out of the game once.
Yeah and Rivers played on a torn ACL. Wilson played on a high ankle sprain. Rogers played on a fractured pinky toe. Players play hurt all the damn time that doesn't mean they can pass a physical once traded. It's two totally different things. What you think players get physicals every week lol? stop it.
You're simple wrong. it's a horrible take that doesn't hold any water.
LOL why are you still trying man? Do you think there is any possibility of changing his mind?
It's not about changing my mind, it's about trying to change the facts; JG chose to have surgery a week before free agency after his agent did his research and found that there were no takers.
injury clause activated right after the no trade clause expired.
FACTS
Hopefully this will help you.
https://www.sportscasting.com/fail-nfl-physical/
That's a cool article regarding physicals of players during the NFL combine. Jimmy was drafted years ago and already passed that physical.
Thanks for sharing that.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
If I was an agent, I would want to be just like Jimmy G's agent.
Strategic - turning no trade clauses and injury clauses into guaranteed $$$$$$$
Unlike Jimmy G's agent, I would then hire a PR firm to have guys go on social media sites and claim that my client "wouldn't have passed a physical".
I would be considered brilliant and shrewd! Hmm
Originally posted by banntirr:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by banntirr:
I see where you going with this, but aside from denigrating Jimmy's character, I wonder even if he didn't have surgery if the Niners could have cut him without triggering the $7.5m guarantee for injury. We may need someone like AB (or another contract expert) to chime in, but pretty sure if Jimmy didn't get the surgery and we cut him 03/16 (pretty sure that was the beginning of the league year,) he wouldn't have passed a physical and thus the guarantee for injury would have been triggered anyway.
So his decision to get surgery wouldn't have changed where we are right now anyway.
You do know Jimmy G never failed a physical, right?
Understood. That really wasn't what I was trying to convey, though.
I was saying that regardless of the surgery (ie. Jimmy doesn't get surgery), if we cut Jimmy before the NTC expired, I think we still would have been on the hook for the $7.5m (guarantee for injury) because he would be in the middle of re-habbing his shoulder and thumb and thus would not have passed a physical.
So him getting the surgery, really didn't impact the Niners situation because without a trade partner, he is stuck on our roster until he passes a physical. Which he couldn't do - even before electing to get surgery - because he ended the season with the shoulder and thumb issues.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Must be a carer ending injury if a starting NFL QB hurt his shoulder and it turns off every team in the NFL to the point where Mitchell Trubisky is considered before him.
Getting the surgery assured him something rather than nothing. If no one is interested and he gets cut, well...
Activating that Injury Clause after the no trade clause expired was very strategic.
What are you talking about?
Getting the surgery helps him get better so he can resume his career. If he get's cut someone will sign him and that $7.5M comes back to SF in the form of a credit in 2023 any way. He's gonna make that cash at some point, you're acting like he's never gonna make $7.5M and be done playing football, with this stupid take.
his no-trade clause was never a thing...any trade is only valid once the new season starts. So trying to bring that up as something in pointless. You're acting like Jimmy doesn't want to be a starter somewhere and make money.
He wants his $27M and more and that can only happen if he's healthy only way that can happen is with surgery. It wasn't healing on it's own and he wouldn't pass a physical regardless.
There was nothing strategic about being worthless in the trade market dying for starting QBs and more than likely losing his $27M. My god you'd be a horrible agent.
If I was an agent, I would want to be just like Jimmy G's agent.
Strategic - turning no trade clauses and injury clauses into guaranteed $$$$$$$
Unlike Jimmy G's agent, I would then hire a PR firm to have guys go on social media sites and claim that my client "wouldn't have passed a physical".
I would be considered brilliant and shrewd! Hmm
His injury clause is not guaranteed money. Once he passes his physical it disappears.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
If I was an agent, I would want to be just like Jimmy G's agent.
Strategic - turning no trade clauses and injury clauses into guaranteed $$$$$$$
Unlike Jimmy G's agent, I would then hire a PR firm to have guys go on social media sites and claim that my client "wouldn't have passed a physical".
I would be considered brilliant and shrewd! Hmm
Name me a player that passed a physical BUT needs surgery that requires 4 months to recover?
He would never passed it regardless of whatever BS you keep making up. He lost money and you'd be fired if you told a dude to get surgery that he didn't need.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You're not understanding. No one is "hating on" Jimmy. What is happening is Jimmy has shown to be average and not improving. His potential is reached. Trey is a ROOKIE, about to be a first year player. Trey will be graded on a curve for this next season. Maybe even the next two.
People are not "hating on" Jimmy because they are just "haters." That is complete b******t, and it's sad attempt to explain away all the reasons why we (and the NFL as a whole) do not feel he is worth starting on this team, or at his salary (for the rest of the NFL). These things will never apply to Trey next year or the year after most likely. He will not be a 30 year old player making rookie mistakes. IF he makes rookie mistakes next year, it will be due to inexperience, and will be expected.
We are not "haters." We simply choose to live in reality. In three years, if Trey is sucking up, after he's had ample time to learn the NFL, and IF he has not shown any improvement or any reason to think he will, THEN you will see us call for him to be replaced.
