What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
. no gurantees of a huge extension but i digress. I speaking more of the timing of the surgery

Jimmy could have did what Dee Ford did to us.. he waited to have surgery after being traded and not really let it be known he needed surgery the whole time

MM talked about this on a recent pod…he spoke to a surgeon he said they won't rush into a surgery if it could be fixed with PT/rehab. They will always try that first…didn't heal, so surgery was the next option.

A trade would have never been approved if he didn't pass a physical which he wouldn't have with a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder. A team would have to know before the trade & be cool with it, clearly no team was.

Not to mention the fact that Jimmy in his press conference, said he expected to be traded pretty quickly. I read somewhere that the 49ers gave other teams access to Jimmys medical records as well. For all we know, a failed physical could be the reason that sparked the surgery.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Jimmy and the 2nd RD Pick to the Panthers for Darnold and #6 Pick. Come on Carolina you know you don't want to go into next season with Sam Darnold as your starting QB, And do you really want to draft a QB with that #6 pick? In a weak QB class? But were here to help you out of your jam, Saving you from drafting a bust with the #6 pick. You get an extra 2nd RD pick instead. There will be alot of good players to choose from in the 2nd RD and you get two of them.

Then we with the #6 pick can trade back a couple of times and not only get our 2nd RD pick back but get an extra one and maybe even an extra 3rd.

Or Brian Burns.If the Niners had Burns, Darnold and the 6th pick. I rather walk away from the draft with Garropolo and Thibodeau while dumping Darnolds cap and maybe even another pick from the other team, rather than Burns, Darnold and the best available QB from this draft at #6.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Maybe jimmy has no trade value, because we don't want to trade him anymore.

Yes, sir.

Come on, you aren't this dumb Mayo. Hes a dead man walking.

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Keeping Jimmy would be idiotic.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
I'm tired of everyone talking about cutting him. That would be stupid. Transferring to a new, young QB, and people are talking about our window is now! There is no player who gives you greater security if Trey is hurt for a game or more. It's not worth cutting him if he can fit under the cap!
What one FA is gonna start for our team that will lock us in the SB!
Either way, he will give us return by stepping in and knowing the offense, not resign and put us closer to get a comp pick, or proving he's better than the last few games of 2021, and we get a good trade.

why cut Jimmy??!! I'm not the biggest fan, but I think the media is doing too much.

Keeping Jimmy would be idiotic.

Goods facts and analysis.
Let me help you
How about a true commodity helping get the best out of your young starter, a lock to get a future 3rd round compensatory pick or even better if he plays well and another team trades for him.
If Trey goes down for any time, and it's probable since he is a scrambler, you are on a win now team with at least 4 All pro players. Sudefeld ain't gonna do it.

just cutting him because fans and ESPN want him cut is idiotic

PS I was all for trading Jimmy if we could get something. But with the way it played out, let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

Not keeping a 27 mil backup and Trey needs to play. We already know what's gonna happen with Jimmy staring. Growing pains with Trey this year is the correct answer.

Roll the money over from Jimmy to next year after we cut him. Cap is going up even more next year and we are predicted to have over 40+ mil and that's after contracts given to Deebo and Bosa. Then that's the year to get some great FA and go all in for a SB.

And btw, it's not a guarantee we get a comp pick. If Jimmy doesn't get a big contract, and if we sign to many expensive FA, no comp pick.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
. no gurantees of a huge extension but i digress. I speaking more of the timing of the surgery

Jimmy could have did what Dee Ford did to us.. he waited to have surgery after being traded and not really let it be known he needed surgery the whole time

MM talked about this on a recent pod…he spoke to a surgeon he said they won't rush into a surgery if it could be fixed with PT/rehab. They will always try that first…didn't heal, so surgery was the next option.

A trade would have never been approved if he didn't pass a physical which he wouldn't have with a torn capsule in his throwing shoulder. A team would have to know before the trade & be cool with it, clearly no team was.

Depending on the price, teams would've been fine with it.

Overall, Lynch did overate Jimmy's value some. I have no doubt we were looking at a 2nd round pick + extra ones, maybe even an extra 2nd. No team came close to offering that, we bluffed, and now here we are.

Where I give Lynch a pass though, is this is an unprecedented move for QBs in one offseason. You had about a half dozen teams that looked like good options for Jimmy, and all those teams got their QB.

Jimmy's true value around the league seems to have been a 3rd. Him and Ryan are very comparable at this point. Similar cap hits for this year, both would just be a bridge QB, and this stage of Ryan's career he's on par with Jimmy talent wise.

The rumor that I think had the most truth to it was Indy offering a 3rd and conditional 3rd early into FA.

I think the Falcons could have got more for Ryan if he didn't have a roster bonus due. If they could have held him longer they would have driven up the price.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I thought Lynch had two 2nd round pick offers for Jimmy G? What happened?

Also, the niners should keep Jimmy G rather than releasing him. The free agent signing period is basically over, so cutting him to save $20 million of "cap room" doesn't really benefit the niners this year. Even if they create that cap room, they won't sign any big names.

Rolling over his $25M cap savings into next year means we'd be flush with cash next offseason. Or we spend $25M for a backup QB and a 3rd round comp pick.

Originally posted by pdizo916:
I thought Lynch had two 2nd round pick offers for Jimmy G? What happened?

Also, the niners should keep Jimmy G rather than releasing him. The free agent signing period is basically over, so cutting him to save $20 million of "cap room" doesn't really benefit the niners this year. Even if they create that cap room, they won't sign any big names.

They could use that money to extend Bosa and Deebo. It's not all about bringing in new names... And if they didn't use it, it would roll over to next yesr. Keeping JG on the roster is wasting that cap space. He will be gone. Guaranteed..

Originally posted by pdizo916:

I thought Lynch had two 2nd round pick offers for Jimmy G? What happened?

Also, the niners should keep Jimmy G rather than releasing him. The free agent signing period is basically over, so cutting him to save $20 million of "cap room" doesn't really benefit the niners this year. Even if they create that cap room, they won't sign any big names.

We was never signing big dollar tag free agents. We have our own to sign. Which is why keeping him till the bum loses his injury clause makes sense.

Originally posted by leonbanton:
Goods facts and analysis.
Let me help you
How about a true commodity helping get the best out of your young starter, a lock to get a future 3rd round compensatory pick or even better if he plays well and another team trades for him.
If Trey goes down for any time, and it's probable since he is a scrambler, you are on a win now team with at least 4 All pro players. Sudefeld ain't gonna do it.

just cutting him because fans and ESPN want him cut is idiotic

PS I was all for trading Jimmy if we could get something. But with the way it played out, let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

It's not worth the distraction. Let's say Lance stinks the joint up all you will hear is bench him for Jimmy. He's a winner. Plus you do it out of respect for Jimmy who led you to 2 deep postseason runs and he's a starting QB in this league. You moved on, let him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
Goods facts and analysis.
Let me help you
How about a true commodity helping get the best out of your young starter, a lock to get a future 3rd round compensatory pick or even better if he plays well and another team trades for him.
If Trey goes down for any time, and it's probable since he is a scrambler, you are on a win now team with at least 4 All pro players. Sudefeld ain't gonna do it.

just cutting him because fans and ESPN want him cut is idiotic

PS I was all for trading Jimmy if we could get something. But with the way it played out, let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

It's not worth the distraction. Let's say Lance stinks the joint up all you will hear is bench him for Jimmy. He's a winner. Plus you do it out of respect for Jimmy who led you to 2 deep postseason runs and he's a starting QB in this league. You moved on, let him.

Rolling over Jimmy's cap savings into next year is by itself, more valuable than keeping him.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Goods facts and analysis.
Let me help you
How about a true commodity helping get the best out of your young starter, a lock to get a future 3rd round compensatory pick or even better if he plays well and another team trades for him.
If Trey goes down for any time, and it's probable since he is a scrambler, you are on a win now team with at least 4 All pro players. Sudefeld ain't gonna do it.

just cutting him because fans and ESPN want him cut is idiotic

PS I was all for trading Jimmy if we could get something. But with the way it played out, let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

It's not worth the distraction. Let's say Lance stinks the joint up all you will hear is bench him for Jimmy. He's a winner. Plus you do it out of respect for Jimmy who led you to 2 deep postseason runs and he's a starting QB in this league. You moved on, let him.

Rolling over Jimmy's cap savings into next year is by itself, more valuable than keeping him.

Extending Deebo is more valuable than either one. And is only the direct result of one.

We have like $2 Million in cap space and will need to sign our rookies that will cost about $7 Million, Plus extend Deebo and Bosa and would still want about $3 Million left for in season signings. And the only contracts left to restructure are Ward who I don't think they want to do because he turns 31 and to restructure his deal you would have to give him an extension and that will cost alot because he is a top 10 safety in this league. Do they want to be giving Ward like $18 Million(after the restructure) for ages 32 and 33?

And the other two is Eman who we should be thinking of extending anyways but that would only save us between $3 and $4 Million. And Ebukam who we can cut and save $8 Million but they don't want to do that, Or restructure which again would only save between $3 and $4 Million. I don't see how they can manage to keep Jimmy and his cap hit on this roster. I know Lynch said they managed the cap to allow that but I think that's just him trying to keep Jimmy's trade value from being non existant.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Panthers aren't this dumb.

I don't know, offering them 3 draft picks, a 2nd and two 3rd's, A QB they badly need, and agreeing to take on Darnold's contract might be too enticing to turn down. There is no way they want to go into next season with Darnold as their QB and do they really want to trust a rookie QB that will need time to develop? And might not even be any good? This deal would take that decision out of their hands.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

We have like $2 Million in cap space and will need to sign our rookies that will cost about $7 Million, Plus extend Deebo and Bosa and would still want about $3 Million left for in season signings. And the only contracts left to restructure are Ward who I don't think they want to do because he turns 31 and to restructure his deal you would have to give him an extension and that will cost alot because he is a top 10 safety in this league. Do they want to be giving Ward like $18 Million(after the restructure) for ages 32 and 33?

And the other two is Eman who we should be thinking of extending anyways but that would only save us between $3 and $4 Million. And Ebukam who we can cut and save $8 Million but they don't want to do that, Or restructure which again would only save between $3 and $4 Million. I don't see how they can manage to keep Jimmy and his cap hit on this roster. I know Lynch said they managed the cap to allow that but I think that's just him trying to keep Jimmy's trade value from being non existant.

They wont. Jimmy is a dead man walking.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Extending Deebo is more valuable than either one. And is only the direct result of one.

Extending Deebo is actually going to be cheap for the first two years. It'll get a lot more expensive down the line though. The cap is going up next year plus an additional $25M carryover if/when we cut Jimmy, means next year we'll be flush with cash.

We could also target a player with high cap hit that the team is on the fence about paying the next year aka one-year rental.