What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I think i am asking a question not arguing a point. Could you explain how we shovel 50m of salary in a 27m dollar bag? Thank you.

Between Bosa and Deebo they won't have a cap hit at $50M this yr if extended...Go look at the Kittle and Warner deals and how they're structured. Both guys were getting extensions not resigning as FAs. So if Deebo signs a 4 yr deal for example, it's actually a 5 yr extension because he's still under contract (at a very low cap hit). That alone allows the team to prorate cash into his cheap cap hit this yr and spreading out the cash even more.

Same with Bosa, he's also got the 5th yr option, which will be a guide into what he will get in 2024 as far as a cap hit goes.

People need to get over the APY stuff as well. I get it, it's easy to talk about contracts using that term, but it's not real. You need to focus on the GTD cash (mainly the FGTD). That's all that matters.... I talked about it in the Deebo thread and showed what Adams/Hill are really getting end of the day.

I don't expect their cap hits to get wild for a couple seasons and by that time the cap will have increased massively. We will be heading into this season and the next couple years paying peanuts at the most expensive position in sports as well.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

He will get traded when he is fully healthy. When a QB goes down in season. Which happens every year. That's when he will have some value.

How do we sign free agents and our draft picks with his $ on the books?

How do we sign deebs and bosa even if jimmy is nopt on the team. it cant be done. jimmy salary 27. deebs + Bosa = 55m? 60M? minus their current salaries, maybe 45m? it can't be done.

Do you really don't understand how contracts work? Especially extensions for rookie contracts? Their cap hit won't be 20+ mil a year during the first and 2nd year. Jesus Christ guy, at least understand what you are arguing before you constantly post crap.

Obviously not with that answer.

I think i am asking a question not arguing a point. Could you explain how we shovel 50m of salary in a 27m dollar bag? Thank you.

Signing bonuses that do not work against the Cap. Same as every player the last 20 years.

Just got a 5 yr $58M deal and might not be ready for W1...can't tell me a team won't traded for Jimmy just because he isn't gonna be at OTAs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on WR Michael Gallup's timeline from ACL surgery: "Optimistically, I expect him to give us a question mark around the first game. And I see a conversation that says conservatively, you would like to have a couple more games to get him out there."

— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) March 28, 2022

Just got a 5 yr $58M deal and might not be ready for W1...can't tell me a team won't traded for Jimmy just because he isn't gonna be at OTAs.

49ers basically got no trade leverage and possibly over valued Jimmy G. Honestly they should've trade Jimmy right before they traded with MIami. Now that the 9ers have Lance, why trade for Jimmy knowing they're trying to move on from him anyway, which is probably the reason for low ball offers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
One Pudding Pop

HA

he has zero trade value. zero reason to keep him. you traded up to get trey. stop the stupid unnecessary drama. dump jimmy.. then we KNOW trey is and should be the starter. just a stupid little game they are doing to protect the ego of lynch in my opinion.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on WR Michael Gallup's timeline from ACL surgery: "Optimistically, I expect him to give us a question mark around the first game. And I see a conversation that says conservatively, you would like to have a couple more games to get him out there."

— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) March 28, 2022

Just got a 5 yr $58M deal and might not be ready for W1...can't tell me a team won't traded for Jimmy just because he isn't gonna be at OTAs.

49ers basically got no trade leverage and possibly over valued Jimmy G. Honestly they should've trade Jimmy right before they traded with MIami. Now that the 9ers have Lance, why trade for Jimmy knowing they're trying to move on from him anyway, which is probably the reason for low ball offers.

The surgery threw a wrench into any talks they were having. I cant really knock the front office because its apparent that came out of nowhere. If this was any kinda of calculation by Jimmy, to what end? LOL He is looking like somebodies backup next year.

With that reality now set in.... What can they get for him now? a 3 or a 4? If that's stopping us from extending players we want on the team going forward and getting some FA in here... just cut him. We already have like 9 picks and little cap room lol. Also, I don't see how keeping him helps Trey in any way this year so imo he has to go.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on WR Michael Gallup's timeline from ACL surgery: "Optimistically, I expect him to give us a question mark around the first game. And I see a conversation that says conservatively, you would like to have a couple more games to get him out there."

— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) March 28, 2022

Just got a 5 yr $58M deal and might not be ready for W1...can't tell me a team won't traded for Jimmy just because he isn't gonna be at OTAs.

49ers basically got no trade leverage and possibly over valued Jimmy G. Honestly they should've trade Jimmy right before they traded with MIami. Now that the 9ers have Lance, why trade for Jimmy knowing they're trying to move on from him anyway, which is probably the reason for low ball offers.

The surgery threw a wrench into any talks they were having. I cant really knock the front office because its apparent that came out of nowhere. If this was any kinda of calculation by Jimmy, to what end? LOL He is looking like somebodies backup next year.

With that reality now set in.... What can they get for him now? a 3 or a 4? If that's stopping us from extending players we want on the team going forward and getting some FA in here... just cut him. We already have like 9 picks and little cap room lol. Also, I don't see how keeping him helps Trey in any way this year so imo he has to go.

Why cut him now when you could just hold onto him till at least August then trade him. There's no rush to free up cap space right now only to extend players. I personally think Jimmy will be dealt during the draft when the QB teams want won't be there, then have to go back and look to Mayfield or Jimmy as options.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on WR Michael Gallup's timeline from ACL surgery: "Optimistically, I expect him to give us a question mark around the first game. And I see a conversation that says conservatively, you would like to have a couple more games to get him out there."

— Michael Gehlken (@GehlkenNFL) March 28, 2022

Just got a 5 yr $58M deal and might not be ready for W1...can't tell me a team won't traded for Jimmy just because he isn't gonna be at OTAs.

49ers basically got no trade leverage and possibly over valued Jimmy G. Honestly they should've trade Jimmy right before they traded with MIami. Now that the 9ers have Lance, why trade for Jimmy knowing they're trying to move on from him anyway, which is probably the reason for low ball offers.

The surgery threw a wrench into any talks they were having. I cant really knock the front office because its apparent that came out of nowhere. If this was any kinda of calculation by Jimmy, to what end? LOL He is looking like somebodies backup next year.

With that reality now set in.... What can they get for him now? a 3 or a 4? If that's stopping us from extending players we want on the team going forward and getting some FA in here... just cut him. We already have like 9 picks and little cap room lol. Also, I don't see how keeping him helps Trey in any way this year so imo he has to go.

Jimmy not stopping anything via Salary Cap

I think what's really hurting us here is the market value isn't $27m annual and no new club wants to start future extensions near that figure. Value closer to $12-17m annual imo. New club probably doesn't want to trade compensation then insult the player by saying hey you need a 50% paycut.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think what's really hurting us here is the market value isn't $27m annual and no new club wants to start future extensions near that figure. Value closer to $12-17m annual imo. New club probably doesn't want to trade compensation then insult the player by saying hey you need a 50% paycut.

It amazes me that you can admit this after reading all of your posts from this past season.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think what's really hurting us here is the market value isn't $27m annual and no new club wants to start future extensions near that figure. Value closer to $12-17m annual imo. New club probably doesn't want to trade compensation then insult the player by saying hey you need a 50% paycut.

It amazes me that you can admit this after reading all of your posts from this past season.

just give him a few mins

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

I think what's really hurting us here is the market value isn't $27m annual and no new club wants to start future extensions near that figure. Value closer to $12-17m annual imo. New club probably doesn't want to trade compensation then insult the player by saying hey you need a 50% paycut.

It amazes me that you can admit this after reading all of your posts from this past season.

Reality always slaps you eventually

Originally posted by Kolohe:
49ers basically got no trade leverage and possibly over valued Jimmy G. Honestly they should've trade Jimmy right before they traded with MIami. Now that the 9ers have Lance, why trade for Jimmy knowing they're trying to move on from him anyway, which is probably the reason for low ball offers.

The reason for no, or low ball offers is that he had a significant injury to his throwing shoulder.

People need to understand the function of the shoulder capsule. It is NOT a minor component. (Allow me to get a bit technical.) The "capsule" is like a sheath of ligaments that connect the humerus (upper arm bone) to the scapula (shoulder blade). It is the very core that controls arm movement. If a portion of that sheath becomes injured, especially if a section is torn, arm stability and strength are diminished. In minor cases, natural healing will restore strength and stability. However, if that does not occur, surgery is required. So, if the damage is not severe, a full recovery can be expected. However, that will only be determined with time. This is what happened in Garoppolo's case. He played through the injury but he obviously did not have full strength. Other teams saw that and took notice.

Other teams have consulted with their medical people and they know all of this. They KNOW that until/unless Jimmy demonstrates he can throw the ball with strength again, he is not worth anything. Will he have full strength? Will his arm strength will be somewhat diminished as was Alex Smith's? These are questions that other teams will need to have answered before any offer is made. Based on what I wrote above, there were never any serious offers for Jimmy, especially after the surgery.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think what's really hurting us here is the market value isn't $27m annual and no new club wants to start future extensions near that figure. Value closer to $12-17m annual imo. New club probably doesn't want to trade compensation then insult the player by saying hey you need a 50% paycut.

It amazes me that you can admit this after reading all of your posts from this past season.

Yup. He was trending well midseason. Injury put the arrow pointing downward. As did no real dominant performances in postseason. Now unable to throw while the dominos are falling. Still think we just hold on here. Cutting and getting back to full health and signing with SEA would be a problem for us. Trey / JG gives us a QB room that is injury proof even if one goes down we are covered.

Originally posted by leonbanton:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Keeping Jimmy would be idiotic.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by leonbanton:
I'm tired of everyone talking about cutting him. That would be stupid. Transferring to a new, young QB, and people are talking about our window is now! There is no player who gives you greater security if Trey is hurt for a game or more. It's not worth cutting him if he can fit under the cap!
What one FA is gonna start for our team that will lock us in the SB!
Either way, he will give us return by stepping in and knowing the offense, not resign and put us closer to get a comp pick, or proving he's better than the last few games of 2021, and we get a good trade.

why cut Jimmy??!! I'm not the biggest fan, but I think the media is doing too much.

Keeping Jimmy would be idiotic.

Goods facts and analysis.
Let me help you
How about a true commodity helping get the best out of your young starter, a lock to get a future 3rd round compensatory pick or even better if he plays well and another team trades for him.
If Trey goes down for any time, and it's probable since he is a scrambler, you are on a win now team with at least 4 All pro players. Sudefeld ain't gonna do it.

just cutting him because fans and ESPN want him cut is idiotic

PS I was all for trading Jimmy if we could get something. But with the way it played out, let's not throw away the baby with the bath water.

Cutting him would be for the 27 million dollars that we can pay Bosa and Deebo with, getting a big chunk of it paid out early in the contract, so we can fit in some outs later if they don't contribute as hoped for.

There is opportunity cost carrying around Jimmy's contract hoping for a draft pick. It's a fine line, and the NFL may already have told John Lynch, "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwMAauD7nGQ "