What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

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The money off the books and whatever was given to New England and call it a day!

I really don't think a late first is off the table.

Only 32 of these jobs on the planet, people!

More likely a conditional 2nd or 3rd (that can go up) along with a 4th or 5th.

People thinking only a 3rd or 4th are ABSURD.

Before the season started, I thought that if Jimmy played lights out, stayed healthy, and got us to the playoffs, we could maybe get a 1st if he surpassed his 2019 season. But I was realistically expecting a 2nd.

This year, he played very well, but was also very inconsistent. This last game against the Titans was literally Jimmy's 49ers tenure all in one game---sharp, had good sustained drives... got the ball to his playmakers... played with poise... but also, made a poor decision that was an INT in the redzone, missed a wide open TD pass, tried to float one over a deep cover LB that got picked off. And then we find out he got injured. Against another playoff caliber team, we lived and died by Jimmy's performance. Had he not had one of those mistakes, I feel like we could've won that game that we lost by one score.

Depending on what the market is and who's looking for a starting QB, I'd say a 3rd. He's a talented, but imperfect veteran starting QB that has led a team to the Super Bowl. If you put him on a team with a solid surrounding cast, like say... the Broncos or Steelers, they'd compete in a crowded AFC. I'd say that's worth a 2nd rounder, but due to his injury history... that probably bumps him down to a 3rd.

It'll be interesting when we get there though. He has a $27M or something salary and a No Trade Clause.

Originally posted by Blake_Fever:
I really don't think a late first is off the table.

Only 32 of these jobs on the planet, people!

More likely a conditional 2nd or 3rd (that can go up) along with a 4th or 5th.

People thinking only a 3rd or 4th are ABSURD.

A late first for a QB that has missed around 40% of potential starts due to injury over the last 4 years due to injury? He doesn't have the perceived potential of Carson Wentz or even Sam Darnold, so I doubt a team is going to see him as worth the risk. A 2022 4th and a conditional 2023 2nd contingent on him playing 90% of snaps and the team making the playoffs seems like the best we could hope for.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I'll be surprise if we got two 4th rounder for Grappy now..

We gave up the ranch for Lance, the league knows that and Shanny thought he can fool teams who are in need of QB that he made it be known that Grappy was having a great CAMP, and hope that he can go to distance so that his value would be high... but even if that had happened, what team would give up a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder when they know we are willing to part ways..

Because it is not a question of absolute worth, it is a relative thing as each suitor will be competing against others. Our being willing to part ways is completely irrelevant. I think a high second and a 2023 pick dependant on games started and achievement. And I think Lynch will work hard to find him a team he is happy to go to. There will be a number of teams trying to get a decent qb after this season.

GET real...

i do understand how we (49er fans) would wish upon a star to get a 2nd rounder in return, but WILL YOU actually give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy knowing that
he really is not on the 49ers' plan because we already have Baby Face Lance?

Why don't you list down the teams that you believe will give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy?

You miss the point as usual. The fact that we dont necessarily have Garoppolo in our plans is irrelevant. Why cant you understand that the key is, how many teams are looking for a qb. And this one has been addressed several times in this thread. The point is, THERE ONLY NEEDS TO BE TWO TEAMS NEEDING A QB. This argument happened numerous times when we were looking to offload Alex Smith It really doesnt matter about your biases. We got 2 2nds for Smith at a time when half of the zone was arguing that we would be lucky to get a 4th.

the only one who's not getting the point is U... and just because we got two 2nds for Akilex Smith does not mean we'll get the same for Grappy..

You urself can't even answer the simple question of... Will you give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy??

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Alex didn't have the injury history of Mr Yearly something new broken.

We will see. I still bet $1 he's cut.

No way he gets cut especially not with the cap going up. 26 mil is not a crazy amount for a QB anymore.

The only thing I can see is a team also asking us to eat about 5-6 mil of the contract. On the open market, he's still a QB that till at least get a 1 year 20 mil offer. So if a team wants him, there's no reason to wait for FA, hope he gets cut, and possibly get in a bidding war with other teams.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I'll be surprise if we got two 4th rounder for Grappy now..

We gave up the ranch for Lance, the league knows that and Shanny thought he can fool teams who are in need of QB that he made it be known that Grappy was having a great CAMP, and hope that he can go to distance so that his value would be high... but even if that had happened, what team would give up a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder when they know we are willing to part ways..

Because it is not a question of absolute worth, it is a relative thing as each suitor will be competing against others. Our being willing to part ways is completely irrelevant. I think a high second and a 2023 pick dependant on games started and achievement. And I think Lynch will work hard to find him a team he is happy to go to. There will be a number of teams trying to get a decent qb after this season.

GET real...

i do understand how we (49er fans) would wish upon a star to get a 2nd rounder in return, but WILL YOU actually give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy knowing that
he really is not on the 49ers' plan because we already have Baby Face Lance?

Why don't you list down the teams that you believe will give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy?

You miss the point as usual. The fact that we dont necessarily have Garoppolo in our plans is irrelevant. Why cant you understand that the key is, how many teams are looking for a qb. And this one has been addressed several times in this thread. The point is, THERE ONLY NEEDS TO BE TWO TEAMS NEEDING A QB. This argument happened numerous times when we were looking to offload Alex Smith It really doesnt matter about your biases. We got 2 2nds for Smith at a time when half of the zone was arguing that we would be lucky to get a 4th.

the only one who's not getting the point is U... and just because we got two 2nds for Akilex Smith does not mean we'll get the same for Grappy..

You urself can't even answer the simple question of... Will you give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy??

The point that English is making is that it's not as important to other teams the reasons that we've moving on from Jimmy... (unless Jimmy is a locker room cancer that's going to destroy the team... which he isn't. He's the opposite. His teammates love him and he's been praised all season for being such a professional).

Everyone knows we just wanted to upgrade at QB, but that doesn't mean Garoppolo's a garbage QB that we're only going to get a 5th for. When we traded Alex Smith, it was more because we had a QB in Kaepernick who everyone thought was going to be the next elite QB for the next 10 years. Kaepernick becoming the starter didn't mean that Alex's trade value goes down and that's why the Chiefs gave us 2 seconds for him, because they wanted him.

It's really just how much need they have at QB, while weighing his talent level against injury history. Sure, there's certain leverage and negotiations involved and I think that's what you mean, but we're not desperate to unload him.

In my eyes, Jimmy's a talented, but limited QB, who you can win around with the proper scheme and surrounding cast. He's not worth of a 1st rounder, but his talent, coupled with his professionalism and leadership... and his experience... that's a 2nd round pick. But given that 2019 is the only year he was healthy for us, that probably drops him down to a 3rd round value in my eyes.

It all depends on the QB market though. If there are five teams that need a QB, and they all like Jimmy... that's gonna drive his price up. If there aren't a lot of teams that want Jimmy, then that drives the price down. And if the price gets low enough, then the 49ers could maybe threaten to release him and then those teams run the risk of losing Jimmy in a free agency way.

We just need two interested teams, IMO.

Injuries and Inconsistent play. Hmm. I'm not sure he has much trade value at this point.

Maybe a 4th, and a 2023 pick? . 🤔

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Injuries and Inconsistent play. Hmm. I'm not sure he has much trade value at this point.

Maybe a 4th, and a 2023 pick? . 🤔

I'm realistically expecting a 3rd, but a 4th and a 2023 4th or 5th round sounds reasonable.
QB's are interesting though. Teams pay a premium price for it, and all it takes is a few teams to be interested. If there's a head coach/offensive coordinator that believes in Jimmy, I'm pretty sure we can get good value.

The Chiefs trading for Alex was an interesting trade. The Chiefs were kind of like we were before Harbaugh came... talented roster and then they signed Andy Reid. Reid saw a talented, but maybe not elite, veteran QB that had recent success and believed they could win with him, so they traded for him. I'm actually surprised we got 2 seconds for him, so kudos the the 49ers FO for negotiating that deal back then.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by stefano89:
If teams know we have lance that we're moving onto we're not going to be able to get good value for Jimmy. Why would they trade us a high pick for a player they know we will just release for nothing if we don't make a trade. I say 4th or 5th rounder at best.

49ers have never publicly stated that they do want to move on from Jimmy.

Damn shannys aged 15 years in 2 years.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by stefano89:
If teams know we have lance that we're moving onto we're not going to be able to get good value for Jimmy. Why would they trade us a high pick for a player they know we will just release for nothing if we don't make a trade. I say 4th or 5th rounder at best.

49ers have never publicly stated that they do want to move on from Jimmy.

Damn shannys aged 15 years in 2 years.

It's not surprising for first-time HC's given how much coaches work and how much stress there is in the job, but yeah, it's insane to see how much Shanahan has aged since we hired him. IIRC, Harbaugh was the same.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by stefano89:
If teams know we have lance that we're moving onto we're not going to be able to get good value for Jimmy. Why would they trade us a high pick for a player they know we will just release for nothing if we don't make a trade. I say 4th or 5th rounder at best.

49ers have never publicly stated that they do want to move on from Jimmy.

Damn shannys aged 15 years in 2 years.

It's not surprising for first-time HC's given how much coaches work and how much stress there is in the job, but yeah, it's insane to see how much Shanahan has aged since we hired him. IIRC, Harbaugh was the same.

Yeah, he's got to shed that shadow beard, makes him look old.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I'll be surprise if we got two 4th rounder for Grappy now..

We gave up the ranch for Lance, the league knows that and Shanny thought he can fool teams who are in need of QB that he made it be known that Grappy was having a great CAMP, and hope that he can go to distance so that his value would be high... but even if that had happened, what team would give up a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder when they know we are willing to part ways..

Because it is not a question of absolute worth, it is a relative thing as each suitor will be competing against others. Our being willing to part ways is completely irrelevant. I think a high second and a 2023 pick dependant on games started and achievement. And I think Lynch will work hard to find him a team he is happy to go to. There will be a number of teams trying to get a decent qb after this season.

GET real...

i do understand how we (49er fans) would wish upon a star to get a 2nd rounder in return, but WILL YOU actually give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy knowing that
he really is not on the 49ers' plan because we already have Baby Face Lance?

Why don't you list down the teams that you believe will give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy?

You miss the point as usual. The fact that we dont necessarily have Garoppolo in our plans is irrelevant. Why cant you understand that the key is, how many teams are looking for a qb. And this one has been addressed several times in this thread. The point is, THERE ONLY NEEDS TO BE TWO TEAMS NEEDING A QB. This argument happened numerous times when we were looking to offload Alex Smith It really doesnt matter about your biases. We got 2 2nds for Smith at a time when half of the zone was arguing that we would be lucky to get a 4th.

the only one who's not getting the point is U... and just because we got two 2nds for Akilex Smith does not mean we'll get the same for Grappy..

You urself can't even answer the simple question of... Will you give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy??

The point that English is making is that it's not as important to other teams the reasons that we've moving on from Jimmy... (unless Jimmy is a locker room cancer that's going to destroy the team... which he isn't. He's the opposite. His teammates love him and he's been praised all season for being such a professional).

Everyone knows we just wanted to upgrade at QB, but that doesn't mean Garoppolo's a garbage QB that we're only going to get a 5th for. When we traded Alex Smith, it was more because we had a QB in Kaepernick who everyone thought was going to be the next elite QB for the next 10 years. Kaepernick becoming the starter didn't mean that Alex's trade value goes down and that's why the Chiefs gave us 2 seconds for him, because they wanted him.

It's really just how much need they have at QB, while weighing his talent level against injury history. Sure, there's certain leverage and negotiations involved and I think that's what you mean, but we're not desperate to unload him.

In my eyes, Jimmy's a talented, but limited QB, who you can win around with the proper scheme and surrounding cast. He's not worth of a 1st rounder, but his talent, coupled with his professionalism and leadership... and his experience... that's a 2nd round pick. But given that 2019 is the only year he was healthy for us, that probably drops him down to a 3rd round value in my eyes.

It all depends on the QB market though. If there are five teams that need a QB, and they all like Jimmy... that's gonna drive his price up. If there aren't a lot of teams that want Jimmy, then that drives the price down. And if the price gets low enough, then the 49ers could maybe threaten to release him and then those teams run the risk of losing Jimmy in a free agency way.

We just need two interested teams, IMO.

NOW, there are 2 of you that are both avoiding the question..

WILL YOU give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy ??

forget the imaginary teams that you both have in your mind... you've now seen how Grappy plays, will YOU give up a 2nd rounder for him ?..

Originally posted by 9moon:
the only one who's not getting the point is U... and just because we got two 2nds for Akilex Smith does not mean we'll get the same for Grappy..

You urself can't even answer the simple question of... Will you give up a 2nd rounder for Grappy??

Oh the irony....like have you ever actually read your own trade proposals using the same logic you are using now?