What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I can see a draft day trade, where Jimmy is traded for a pick and a player. Conversely, they can trade him for a conditional pick - the condition being his rehab and ability to play QB. He won't be throwing until after the draft, so they can structure a deal where the 49ers would get a conditional first round if Jimmy is 100% by training camp (or something like that) and if not, the 49ers get a really low pick, possibly a day three pick even if Jimmy takes longer to heal. Personally, I'd give it a 50%/50% chance he's traded around draft day, and more of a 75%/25% traded by the time he's able to throw sometime in (I think) July.

Don't hold you breath. Teams have no reason at all to spend anything for a player they predict to be released at some point.

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false...there is a risk you dont get JG if you wait until he is cut

a trade means you guarantee you control his rights

the point of contention is how much do other teams value obtaining the rights to JG

I do not think we will see him get traded until an opening opens up from injury. I think if the team that losses their QB is playoff caliber or Superbowl caliber we will be able to probably get like a 2nd +3rd. If the team that losses their QB sucks then we won't get good compensation.

Until then I do not think he is worth anything. There is just not any openings for him.

This is what we're reduced to, hoping for a team to lose their starting QB to injury? Lean back in your seat and think abut that for a minute. A team would have to be desperate to give anything for Jimmy G. Wow! so much for trade leverage.

Yes. It's exactly what we are reduced to.

But it's not all bad. It almost always happens some team loses a QB in the preseason or before the trade deadline.

Also the compensation for a team that thinks they will be good when that happens can be good.

Example the Vikings lost teddy Bridgewater when he tore his ACL in the preseason then gave up multiple first round picks for Bradford because they thought they were in win now mode.

Same thing could happen with Jimmy. His compensation probably won't be as high but will still be pretty good.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:

How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:
How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

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Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

Because he's the backup.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:

How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

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Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

Because he's the backup.

So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:
How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

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We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

Because he's the backup.

So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

not sugesting this.. but i think he would take a pay cut if another year was added and they split the cost

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

Only if $12M is still the most money he could conceivably make, but I'd say he's made very good money already, he'd probably opt for being a free agent into the year and sign when a starter goes down.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:
How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

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We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

Because he's the backup.

So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

For a backup, yes.

Listen to me here guys, if the FO plans on Trey starting, there is 0% chance they go into the season with JG on the roster. They just can't. You'd have a mutiny in the locker room and the truth is JG is better than Lance right now. Bum arm and everything

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

If he and his agent don't see another team where he has a chance to start and earn his full slary then he might consider it. He already knows the offense and wouldn't need to prove himself elsewhere.

I hope he moves on because after spending all those draft picks on Lance, they need to see if he's the guy. They wasted one year and he needs to see game action. It could easily take him 2 seasons to really learn the offense and feel comfortable in the NFL.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
He won't get released based on logic (pros and cons)

Pros of release

Cap space (we get this anyway in about 10 months when his deal expires)

Cons of release

QB room is weaker (less push for TL to earn the job)
Less protection from TL injury (which somehow he was injured repeatedly last year without much play time)
No possibility of compensation be it trade materializing or otherwise (comp pick)
No control over JG destination; he could sign with SEA tomorrow and start against us 2x (haters like to get cute and put this as a "pro" yet even they know he's way better than D. Lock)

Good post. I'll take the cap space.

If we roll over Jimmy's cap savings until next year, we'll get his cap space next year (which opens up as his deal expires) plus the $25M in cap rollover. So the OP's original premise is incomplete.

Nothing is incomplete. JG is coming off the books at some point and we get cap savings then. If you honestly suggest cut him today and don't spend any of those dollars and roll them into 2023 that's kinda silly imo. Isn't the whole point of cutting him now to add some FAs and flex those dollars asap? What on earth would you need like $50m in cap dollars next year for?

Hopefully he realizes he's screwed this year, and wants to be in shape for his next new team.He cannot expect to get starter money at this point can he?Or maybe Trey crashes his new pimped out Impala (God help us) and we need the backup to win at least occasionally. G's a pro, he would compromise if necessary (wouldn't he?).

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by scottym:

How about if G restructures for 1/2 price as a backup?Would that be considered as a fair deal?

Great deal. Jimmy never sign it. But great for us.

Why not? $12Mish is the going rate for a backup Qb.

We owe him $27 M. Why would he stay for less?

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Because he's the backup.

So he would just be ok with a $15 million pay cut? Not likely.

For a backup, yes.

I can't see this likely but maybe if after he is cleared and still no one wants him. Maybe then but at much less than 12M.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Listen to me here guys, if the FO plans on Trey starting, there is 0% chance they go into the season with JG on the roster. They just can't. You'd have a mutiny in the locker room and the truth is JG is better than Lance right now. Bum arm and everything

No

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Your con of weaker QB room is hilarious. If you don't think Trey can at a very minimum do the behind the LOS s**t and five and ten yard dings then I don't know what to day.

Trey Lance doesn't need to earn anything. It's his by default due to the last draft. They sat him for a year. I guess a good thing but that was it. It's showtime.

His cap, oh it will go away in a year anyway. Come on man..
This Jimmy crap has really reached it's peak at biting on my nerves.

How is the QB room not weaker? TL and JG is stronger than TL and NS right?

What about locker room divided? What about off field distractions having to answer QB questions? How about if Trey struggles in a game having to deal with should we go back to Jimmy questions from the dips**t Grant Cohn? I agree Jimmy is a better backup than just about every back up in the league but it would cause friction for a 2nd year QB who needs to have confidence the team and everyone involved is behind him.

Not going to let fear of Grant Cohn riding us force our hand to drop our starting QB from 2021 lol.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Your con of weaker QB room is hilarious. If you don't think Trey can at a very minimum do the behind the LOS s**t and five and ten yard dings then I don't know what to day.

Trey Lance doesn't need to earn anything. It's his by default due to the last draft. They sat him for a year. I guess a good thing but that was it. It's showtime.

His cap, oh it will go away in a year anyway. Come on man..
This Jimmy crap has really reached it's peak at biting on my nerves.

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How is the QB room not weaker? TL and JG is stronger than TL and NS right?

What about locker room divided? What about off field distractions having to answer QB questions? How about if Trey struggles in a game having to deal with should we go back to Jimmy questions from the dips**t Grant Cohn? I agree Jimmy is a better backup than just about every back up in the league but it would cause friction for a 2nd year QB who needs to have confidence the team and everyone involved is behind him.

some of the guys who adore lynch and kyle think that we are above a divided locker room. sigh

Yup this is correct. We have too many professionals and too few divas for this to happen.