What will Jimmy's trade value be in the offseason?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Bro you keep editing lol. I think people are interpreting what you are saying is that Kyle is essentially saying a trade was in process; meaning something was offered and on the verge of being completed and then the surgery stopped it. I could be wrong; but I think the surgery threw a wrench in the talks and nothing was ever offered. There's a difference

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Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I think the surgery threw a wrench in the talks and nothing was ever offered. There's a difference

The difference is not really any different.

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I added what dj left out. If you guys can't see or comprehend the difference in trade talks with something being offered and trade talks without something being offered then I don't know what to tell you.

You're arguing over whether an actual offer was made, but you're not arguing over whether there was interest in trading for Garoppolo. Is that correct?

Who cares?

Is there a difference in what you just said? That's all I'm arguing and I care when someone cuts out half of what I posted. If you followed all of it you might understand why the argument (which isn't mine) even began.

There is a difference, but it's immaterial in the discussion. Your point doesn't counter anything being said. That's why people are saying it makes no difference.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Well it's just confirmed from Kyle Shanahan himself and I quote " There was gonna be a trade and then there was a surgery"

So for all of you, and you know who you are, that were trying to make it sound like other teams wanted other quarterbacks like Mitch T or Mariota or even Carson Wentz you were dead wrong. Sorry. Time to man up and admit you're wrong instead of arguing page after page how Jimmy isn't worth that much or his contract wasn't tradable or worth that much. Well guess what, you are wrong. It's just good to know after all this time that a lot of us were right and a lot of you trying to minimize Jimmy Garoppolo's value were wrong.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
There is a difference, but it's immaterial in the discussion. Your point doesn't counter anything being said. That's why people are saying it makes no difference.

I disagree that it's immaterial but to each their own. End of day doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it; whatever floats your boat can be used as reason for you but the only known fact in all of it is that nobody traded for him up to this point.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I disagree that it's immaterial but to each their own. End of day doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it; whatever floats your boat can be used as reason for you but the only known fact in all of it is that nobody traded for him up to this point.

You're right about that. Cheers.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Bro what? "He was getting traded" that's your best argument?

WTF are you talking about.

Bro what did you say? WTF are you smoking? Pass me some of that 😂🤣It is the best argument you know why, because Kyle Shanahan said it was happening. How dense does anyone have to be to believe they would lie about something like that before his injury. Bottom line, you guys are wrong it's cool. Admit it

Well then I guess since we're not dealing with reality and what the front office says, I guess Deebo Samuel isn't holding out, Mike McGlinchey Jason Verrett and Kinlaw aren't coming back from injury either

The Deebo contract situation and MM/Verrett injury reports are completely different. What strategic value is there to lying about their situation?

If I'm selling a car, what purpose would there be to tell a potential customer that no one has been interested? Like if a car-salesman tells you that a lot of people have been eyeing a car you're looking at… can you really be certain that a guy trying to sell you something is telling the truth? You want to talk up the positive aspects of the vehicle and be quiet about its flaws. Customer interest being one of those flaws.

Of course Kyle capable of using that excuse as to why he hasn't been traded.

But all I've said from the beginning was the there's many potential reasons as to why Jimmy's less desirable than other QBs on the market. His physical skillset, salary, trade compensation needed to acquire him, and so on.

And each team values some aspects more than others. Some might care about the current surgery, some may value a QB having a full offseason, some might not like his limited mobility, or perceived lack of upside.

Who knows?! I'm not claiming to know. It's you that's claiming to know.

The point is, anyone who claims it's just his surgery/rehab is ignoring the fact that there's teams out there that potentially didn't trade for him due to other reasons.

So I'm not saying there's zero chance a team would have traded for him but didn't because of the injury. I'm saying that you don't have EVIDENCE besides Kyle saying he thinks he would have been traded. That's not evidence enough to prove it would have happened.

Kyle and John also said there's a good chance we're keeping Jimmy earlier this offseason. We know that was BS now but for some reason it's impossible to you that he could be lying again.

Why would the coach lie about a player he's trying to trade? LMAO. Guap you're invited to my friends poker night any time.

BTW, if you really want to know, I'm smoking honey badger from canna cruz.

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's not that at all, it's just hilarious looking at peoples revisionist history when we all know he was tradable before having surgery with Kyle confirming it. Now people want to act like he never was that tradable because of what we were asking or his salary when that was not true. Just because he is less desired now after many teams have filled their needs more or less does not support what they are trying to imply now. Many of us were assuming that Jimmy pre-surgery could get a second, third or at worst a fourth for him which seemed easily reasonable.

So let me get this straight. Because your assumption seemed reasonable to you, people who had different opinions were wrong? Cmon Guap.

Many of us believed the market wouldn't be as strong as you did for many reasons. For one reason, or multiple reasons, people like us were right. Now you want to play the "you guys WOULD have been wrong if..." hypothetical and are talking down to the people who were actually right? OK.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's not that at all, it's just hilarious looking at peoples revisionist history when we all know he was tradable before having surgery with Kyle confirming it. Now people want to act like he never was that tradable because of what we were asking or his salary when that was not true. Just because he is less desired now after many teams have filled their needs more or less does not support what they are trying to imply now. Many of us were assuming that Jimmy pre-surgery could get a second, third or at worst a fourth for him which seemed easily reasonable.

So let me get this straight. Because your assumption seemed reasonable to you, people who had different opinions were wrong? Cmon Guap.

Many of us believed the market wouldn't be as strong as you did for many reasons. For one reason, or multiple reasons, people like us were right. Now you want to play the "you guys WOULD have been wrong if..." hypothetical and are talking down to the people who were actually right? OK.

It's the NFL which stands for National Football League.. and also Not For Long..

Circumstances change, quickly. Healthy, no surgery, he has trade value. When he got injured late in the year, injured again, then the surgery, it derailed any trade. This isn't hard imo. Look at OBJ, he had an injury at the worst time, in a contract year in the SB.. he is unsigned as of this moment as a street FA..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's not that at all, it's just hilarious looking at peoples revisionist history when we all know he was tradable before having surgery with Kyle confirming it. Now people want to act like he never was that tradable because of what we were asking or his salary when that was not true. Just because he is less desired now after many teams have filled their needs more or less does not support what they are trying to imply now. Many of us were assuming that Jimmy pre-surgery could get a second, third or at worst a fourth for him which seemed easily reasonable.

So let me get this straight. Because your assumption seemed reasonable to you, people who had different opinions were wrong? Cmon Guap.

Many of us believed the market wouldn't be as strong as you did for many reasons. For one reason, or multiple reasons, people like us were right. Now you want to play the "you guys WOULD have been wrong if..." hypothetical and are talking down to the people who were actually right? OK.

It's the NFL which stands for National Football League.. and also Not For Long..

Circumstances change, quickly. Healthy, no surgery, he has trade value. When he got injured late in the year, injured again, then the surgery, it derailed any trade. This isn't hard imo. Look at OBJ, he had an injury at the worst time, in a contract year in the SB.. he is unsigned as of this moment as a street FA..

Using your OBJ example....

What Guap is doing would be like me talking down to you after you said no team wants OBJ right now, and I said "well he would have signed a big contract if not for the injury." Hypotheticals dont overrule facts.

At this point, keep Jimmy on the team, let him walk in 2023, collect a 4th round comp pick in 2024. What's the rush dumping him now if this team could extend deebo and bosa now?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's not that at all, it's just hilarious looking at peoples revisionist history when we all know he was tradable before having surgery with Kyle confirming it. Now people want to act like he never was that tradable because of what we were asking or his salary when that was not true. Just because he is less desired now after many teams have filled their needs more or less does not support what they are trying to imply now. Many of us were assuming that Jimmy pre-surgery could get a second, third or at worst a fourth for him which seemed easily reasonable.

So let me get this straight. Because your assumption seemed reasonable to you, people who had different opinions were wrong? Cmon Guap.

Many of us believed the market wouldn't be as strong as you did for many reasons. For one reason, or multiple reasons, people like us were right. Now you want to play the "you guys WOULD have been wrong if..." hypothetical and are talking down to the people who were actually right? OK.

Are you saying that the surgery, and the bad timing of the surgery, didn't have any effect on Jimmy's trade value this off season? I mean really?

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It's not that at all, it's just hilarious looking at peoples revisionist history when we all know he was tradable before having surgery with Kyle confirming it. Now people want to act like he never was that tradable because of what we were asking or his salary when that was not true. Just because he is less desired now after many teams have filled their needs more or less does not support what they are trying to imply now. Many of us were assuming that Jimmy pre-surgery could get a second, third or at worst a fourth for him which seemed easily reasonable.

So let me get this straight. Because your assumption seemed reasonable to you, people who had different opinions were wrong? Cmon Guap.

Many of us believed the market wouldn't be as strong as you did for many reasons. For one reason, or multiple reasons, people like us were right. Now you want to play the "you guys WOULD have been wrong if..." hypothetical and are talking down to the people who were actually right? OK.

Are you saying that the surgery, and the bad timing of the surgery, didn't have any effect on Jimmy's trade value this off season? I mean really?

What I am saying is the surgery absolutely could have affected his market, just like the plethora of other reasons that people like Guap refuse to acknowledge could have affected his market. Those reasons have been listed by many posters ad nauseum.

What I have also been saying is that if Jimmy was a better QB, the surgery would not have affected the market in the slightest bit. But thats just my opinion.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

At this point, keep Jimmy on the team, let him walk in 2023, collect a 4th round comp pick in 2024. What's the rush dumping him now if this team could extend deebo and bosa now?

Somewhere around 30 million salary cap space next year is the difference. Would be retarded to keep him.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Somewhere around 30 million salary cap space next year is the difference. Would be retarded to keep him.

That explains it lol

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/zach-wilsons-knee-injury-could-024559497.html

His market is about to pick up. Browns? Jets?

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
His market is about to pick up. Browns? Jets?

Those two teams are our last hopes for a trade.