Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Carlos Rogers created turnovers through the Harbaugh Super Bowl years. We can't forget him. 8 picks in three seasons isn't too bad at all.
he also got burned by kearse in the most important play of nfccg, and he didnt do anything on the sb as well
Smh, that's not what this post is about. Of course all these CB's got burnt one time or the other, the point was they created turnovers.
That post showed that many of these posters aren't looking for good corners. They are looking for corners that don't exist. Corners that give no separation, are never burned, and generate 5+ picks a year. Our secondary is in the top-10 in terms of yards given up, yet somehow we have the worse corners in the league. Last year, we were top 5 in passing yards given up. In 2019, we were number 1 in passing yards given up. Their worse season was year 1 for Kyle when they were ranked 22nd. Every year after that was top-11 or better, with one season as the number 1 pass defense.
There IS a glaring weakness- we don't create turnovers. But this defense is predicated on not given up the big play, something they do pretty well at overall. Even in a losing season (2018), our pass defense was better than most. We definitely can do better in that regard and it would help the offense (and defense) out immensely to get those extra possessions. But we are absolutely not a bad pass defense with bad corners (as a group). As a team. the DBs play exceptionally well compared to the rest of the league. If we actually did generate the turnovers, we'd be getting more buzz (Pro Bowls for a guy like Jimmie Ward for example).
Kind of misleading about not giving up the big plays when the 49ers secondary this year gave up a total of 20 PI's which is the most in the NFL. I think if you converted those into yards the 49ers secondary looks even worse.
49ers are in the playoffs 9 times outta 10 when the defense creates turnovers and doesn't worry about giving up the big play. I can't remember a time when the 9ers were in the playoffs and the defense didn't create turnovers??
I understand your point, but passing yards given up don't work that way. Furthermore, they've been near the top for four straight seasons now. It's a trend. It's a trend that we don't give up a lot of passing yards and it's a trend that we are among the worst at getting interceptions. Both are true.
The fact is, even with Norman, Kilpatrick earlier this season, and Thomas's early struggles, we are in the top-5 for passing yards given up.
I'd argue that the lack of turnovers is what prevents them from being thought of as a good/great defense, because in terms of yards they are right there, and if they were just middle of the pack with turnovers, that would push the points surrendered far lower (they are about in the middle with points).
It's not misleading about giving up big plays. Relative to the rest of the league, we do pretty good. To know where we really stand, compare this team's pass defense to some of our worse pass defenses. The 1999 49ers, the 2005 49ers, the 79 or 80 49ers, etc. THOSE are bad pass defenses.
Mr. Josh Norman, NFL forced fumble savant. Norman has forced more fumbles than TJ Watt & Aaron Donald. You can't force the fumble if you pick the ball off it's common knowledge.