Multiple reasons.
1. Jimmy is jekyl and hyde. At any moment he can give a dead team life
2. Shanny gets TOO conservative(possibly due to his knowledge of point #1)
3. We have a very puzzling and put another way, very BAD prevent defense. We make it sooooo easy for the other team when we have a late lead.
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Jan 17, 2022 at 12:34 PM
- hubbyt
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Jan 17, 2022 at 12:34 PM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:We need to run the ball there.. everyone knows it.. and we almost did it
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My sentence says first down plays. You mention a third down play. What I'm saying is plays that we ran ON first down. Not plays that resulted in a first down. Talking first down play calls here. After the Deebo TD it is 10 runs and 1 pass that was actually thrown which was 18 yards to Kittle.
listen to your stipulations....1st or 2nd down plays that are thrown balls in the 4th QR that turn into 1st downs. What else you want to add to the list?
I don't even know what you're trying to prove by stating any of this anyway? 16 of his 25 passing attempts happened on 1st/2nd down. It's not run. run. pray Jimmy converts on 3rd down.
They're a run heavy team and everyone knows this. Why would you ask Jimmy to throw the ball MORE when you're trying to eat up the clock? Bad things happen when you ask him to start throwing it more and it started to happen late in the 4th QR. Two of his throws on 2nd down were a INT and a almost fumble in part because of a bad throw. It was part of the reason Dallas was even in the game.
Those aren't my stipulations. You simply aren't understanding what I am saying. I'm talking about the play calls on first downs at the end. That is it. Not plays resulting in first downs. Not second down plays.
After the Deebo TD run we had 11 plays where the down and distance was 1st and something. 10 runs. 1 pass (our best offensive play of the 4th). Too conservative and predictable IMO.
The highlighted is why you don't run there.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:35 PM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Those aren't my stipulations. You simply aren't understanding what I am saying. I'm talking about the play calls on first downs at the end. That is it. Not plays resulting in first downs. Not second down plays.
After the Deebo TD run we had 11 plays where the down and distance was 1st and something. 10 runs. 1 pass (our best offensive play of the 4th). Too conservative and predictable IMO.
How are those not stipulations? pass plays on 1st/2nd down, in the 4th QR, that equal first downs lol...how many times are you realistically expecting that to happen when you're up 23-10 to start the 4th QR?
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:36 PM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The highlighted is why you don't run there.
well I guess we shouldn't run the ball at all because teams every damn week expect SF to run the ball 30x a game
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My sentence says first down plays. You mention a third down play. What I'm saying is plays that we ran ON first down. Not plays that resulted in a first down. Talking first down play calls here. After the Deebo TD it is 10 runs and 1 pass that was actually thrown which was 18 yards to Kittle.
listen to your stipulations....1st or 2nd down plays that are thrown balls in the 4th QR that turn into 1st downs. What else you want to add to the list?
I don't even know what you're trying to prove by stating any of this anyway? 16 of his 25 passing attempts happened on 1st/2nd down. It's not run. run. pray Jimmy converts on 3rd down.
They're a run heavy team and everyone knows this. Why would you ask Jimmy to throw the ball MORE when you're trying to eat up the clock? Bad things happen when you ask him to start throwing it more and it started to happen late in the 4th QR. Two of his throws on 2nd down were a INT and a almost fumble in part because of a bad throw. It was part of the reason Dallas was even in the game.
Those aren't my stipulations. You simply aren't understanding what I am saying. I'm talking about the play calls on first downs at the end. That is it. Not plays resulting in first downs. Not second down plays.
After the Deebo TD run we had 11 plays where the down and distance was 1st and something. 10 runs. 1 pass (our best offensive play of the 4th). Too conservative and predictable IMO.
Probably one of Kyle's worst games as a play caller if we're being honest. This is definitely a Kyle M.O. when under heat.
I don't have a problem with it. We ran the ball. It took off clock. Our defense is playing well.
In the end, the Cowboys got the ball back with less than a minute to play and the game ended with them standing around wishing they had one more second on the game clock.
Oh, I was talking overall...but at the very end, yes, we had to eat as much clock as possible, predictable or not.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:37 PM
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Finished the last two...hoping to keep it going!
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh and they had 3 possessions in the 4th QR, one ended with Jimmy tossing a INT passing it on 2nd and 10. the second series went over 5 mins because they ran the damn ball, the one pass on 2nd and 7 was that Kittle almost fumble. 3rd drive started at 1:42 no one is passing the ball there.
ya i didnt feel like the were conservative at all at the end they were just playing smart
and sometimes a good D will make plays. If you expect to dominate for 4 Q against the playoffs then you better hope you play the steelers or eagles every game
It's a silly thing to argue about...people get mad Kyle doesn't run the ball more at the end, now someone is upset they didn't let Jimmy throw the ball more when it's 23-10 in the 4th QR (on 1st/2nd down) even though that's when his INT and almost fumble happened
people do realize the clock stops on incomplete passes?
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:39 PM
- random49er
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Finished the last two...hoping to keep it going!
I'd say the last two finished
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:40 PM
- IrishCrnjo
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I think Kyle gets to conservatives with his leads. I think most football coaches have that problem, it's not just him. But in trying to "milk the clock" you usually end up giving the other team many more opportunities because the defense is keyed in on the conservative play as well.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:41 PM
- Wubbie
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The highlighted is why you don't run there.
well I guess we shouldn't run the ball at all because teams every damn week expect SF to run the ball 30x a game
Agreed, we shouldn't pass just for the sake of being unpredictable. The goal in the fourth quarter with a lead is to drain clock as much as possible and not turn the ball over.
A good example in the same game is that our QB Sneak at the end didn't need to have the Trent Williams motion. We did that to make the Cowboys think we might do something else… but Jimmy's QB sneak efficiency is so good. Even if you know it's coming, just do it.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:42 PM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Those aren't my stipulations. You simply aren't understanding what I am saying. I'm talking about the play calls on first downs at the end. That is it. Not plays resulting in first downs. Not second down plays.
After the Deebo TD run we had 11 plays where the down and distance was 1st and something. 10 runs. 1 pass (our best offensive play of the 4th). Too conservative and predictable IMO.
How are those not stipulations? pass plays on 1st/2nd down, in the 4th QR, that equal first downs lol...how many times are you realistically expecting that to happen when you're up 23-10 to start the 4th QR?
You've misread like all of my last 10 posts in here. Hard to have a conversation when you're not responding to what I am actually saying.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The highlighted is why you don't run there.
well I guess we shouldn't run the ball at all because teams every damn week expect SF to run the ball 30x a game
Agreed, we shouldn't pass just for the sake of being unpredictable. The goal in the fourth quarter with a lead is to drain clock as much as possible and not turn the ball over.
A good example in the same game is that our QB Sneak at the end didn't need to have the Trent Williams motion. We did that to make the Cowboys think we might do something else… but Jimmy's QB sneak efficiency is so good. Even if you know it's coming, just do it.
The only issue here is guys like Deebo running out of bounds and DB's tackling guys out of bounds. This is a basic coaching principle. Deebo did it last week too.
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by NCommand:
The only issue here is guys like Deebo running out of bounds and DB's tackling guys out of bounds. This is a basic coaching principle. Deebo did it last week too.
ya that was a huge mistake i really hope they talk to Deebo about that but i wouldnt say its a coaching issue that is something Deebo should know
Jan 17, 2022 at 12:47 PM
- ChaunceyGardner
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Jan 17, 2022 at 12:48 PM
- NYniner85
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You've misread like all of my last 10 posts in here. Hard to have a conversation when you're not responding to what I am actually saying.
What is there to misread? What are you even trying to accomplish by saying any of this?
You setup stipulations of play calling which are silly IMO. What I'm gathering is you want them to throw it on early downs in the 4th QR when they're up 23-10 because the team is trying to stop the run. What I'm saying is when they did that it resulted in a INT, a bad throw that was almost a fumble and their longest possession (out of 3) was when they ran the ball.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jan 17, 2022 at 12:53 PM ]