49ers @ Packers - Divisional Round Coaches Film Analysis Thread

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice pointing out the GB defensive personnel on that 3rd & 7 Deebo run. 3rd & 7, no way the 49ers run the ball, put in the Dime team (1 DT, 4 LBs, 6 DBs).

49ers run the ball.

THAT play was so comforting to me. Shanny, had the balls to run on that D&D?!?! A good foreshadowing for the next two games (for me anyway!)

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Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Thank you so much Jonny! Question I wanted to ask you on Jimmy's interception. When he released the ball, Kittle was open. But it hung in the air long enough for the defender to make up ground and intercept it. It seems there were even a few plays after that where it almost happened again. Do you think if that is Trey Lance throwing the ball with his velocity it is still intercepted? Edit: Follow up, do you think the throw was effected by his injured shoulder and thumb, or is that just the maximum arm strength Jimmy has?

I don't know. I mean, it wasn't a great decision. Maybe Lance gets it there in time - he has a stronger arm but I'd prefer either guy to just grass it or out of bounds it. Mack got beat off the get go. that's where I wouldn't mind Lance using his legs to make something out of nothing. The biggest thing is with a game this close, points were gold. You don't' take points off the board.

Gotcha. Problem was the decision making, not the throw. Because he DID try similar throws after that which luckily weren't picked. Really wish the dude would learn from his mistakes.

Each of those were slightly different situations. So, the 1st they were in C-4 palms - like I talked about. Palms is pretty technical and hard to fully explain but think of it like a matching 4. It can also be called 2read. If there's no vertical from the outside the corners are supposed to play quarters, if there's no vertical from the inside the safety will match the first short breaking route - that's the shortest explanation I can give. It was a nearly identical play to the Kittle drop and we ran Mitchell on a little curl route. The corner should've been bailing to protect the outside vs the vertical release of Kittle. They covered Kittle well so Jimmy went to the checkdown to Mitchell but the corner never bailed and drove hard on the play.

The 2nd one, they were in man-coverage and they plastered to everyone and Jimmy looked to hit Mitchell again. It was a scarier throw than it was because the LB had his back turned to cover Mitchell the whole way.

Originally posted by thl408:
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I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Still watching the video. Great stuff. The play @3:20. I think that's Cover3 Cloud, not Cover 2 zone. It's Cover3 but the CB (DJohnson) plays a Flat, then two safeties and a CB play the deep 1/3s. Your point remains, they disguised presnap to give a 1v1 DJohnson vs Adams look, very enticing for Rodgers, then took it away by running the safety into the sideline deep 1/3 to cloud over Adams. (Moseley is a deep 1/3 on the other side)

Very nice breakdown @8:10. This is the impatient Rodgers I was referring to. When the Smash was taken way, it's checkdown time. He had a checkdown for maybe a 4 yard gain, which is fine on 2nd down with no one having good footing so missed tackles are a possibility. Rodgers elected to scramble and make something happen. Nope.

Definitely could be. I was going back and forth on in it but it didn't seem that K'Waun Williams had an urgency to the curl/flat area, which is why I felt like it was 2zone no 3cloud.

It looks like Ryans lets some guys intelligently deviate from standard coverages when they see certain route combinations or when offenses try to attack specific weaknesses in certain coverages. Like that play where Mosley put that big hit on Adams. Mosley played it kinda like it was a Cover-2 trap even though it was definitely cover 3.

Same with Hufanga covering Adams on that deep ball. He was playing Aaron's tendencies all the way. There's a deep route on the other side and a DIG that Hufanga doesn't even glance at... as if he knew what Rodgers was going to do as soon as he saw the safety blitz.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

I think Kittle thought Jimmy could get it there. One of those young, strong armed QB's taking over the league would have gunned it in there.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Yes I do think that once it became a scramble drill, Kittle should work back towards Jimmy. Kittle's route was some sort of vertical seam route in the middle of the field, not an outbreaking route.
Kittle is open but Jimmy just shrugged off a pass rusher and isn't in a position to throw. Kittle starts running parallel to the goal line.


If Kittle starts working back towards Jimmy here, there is a higher chance of a completion. I understand why Kittle didn't - there's room for a throw here into the endzone, but we know Jimmy's strength is not throwing ropes while on the move. If this happens again, Kittle should be coached to come back for the throw, help his QB.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Yes I do think that once it became a scramble drill, Kittle should work back towards Jimmy. Kittle's route was some sort of vertical seam route in the middle of the field, not an outbreaking route.
Kittle is open but Jimmy just shrugged off a pass rusher and isn't in a position to throw. Kittle starts running parallel to the goal line.


If Kittle starts working back towards Jimmy here, there is a higher chance of a completion. I understand why Kittle didn't - there's room for a throw here into the endzone, but we know Jimmy's strength is not throwing ropes while on the move. If this happens again, Kittle should be coached to come back for the throw, help his QB.

Thank you so much!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Yes I do think that once it became a scramble drill, Kittle should work back towards Jimmy. Kittle's route was some sort of vertical seam route in the middle of the field, not an outbreaking route.
Kittle is open but Jimmy just shrugged off a pass rusher and isn't in a position to throw. Kittle starts running parallel to the goal line.


If Kittle starts working back towards Jimmy here, there is a higher chance of a completion. I understand why Kittle didn't - there's room for a throw here into the endzone, but we know Jimmy's strength is not throwing ropes while on the move. If this happens again, Kittle should be coached to come back for the throw, help his QB.

Here's PFF -

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
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That guy has been uploading them for quite awhile. I don't know how he hasn't been caught yet

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Yes I do think that once it became a scramble drill, Kittle should work back towards Jimmy. Kittle's route was some sort of vertical seam route in the middle of the field, not an outbreaking route.
Kittle is open but Jimmy just shrugged off a pass rusher and isn't in a position to throw. Kittle starts running parallel to the goal line.


If Kittle starts working back towards Jimmy here, there is a higher chance of a completion. I understand why Kittle didn't - there's room for a throw here into the endzone, but we know Jimmy's strength is not throwing ropes while on the move. If this happens again, Kittle should be coached to come back for the throw, help his QB.

Now, I can see why Jimmy tried to throw underneath. Just wasn't accurate enough. High and to either pylon would have been perfect since the DB is creeping behind Kittle for a trap. From the replay from Jimmy's perspective, there was a lot of mess between his vision and the DB, so he probably didn't think a DB would get there, which explains the more "careful" placement to Kittle.

Originally posted by grapesofrathman:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
all22 of the Divisional round for download

Divisional Round A22 for download:
🏈📽️https://t.co/iJmfcPu9N7

— SyedSchemes (@syedschemes) January 25, 2022

daaaaang. Nobody better tag the NFL - they'll flip the F out.

That guy has been uploading them for quite awhile. I don't know how he hasn't been caught yet

Sort of. He was uploading them when the NFL's gamepass was down but then stopped when it got back up. He's a really friendly guy. He'd send me the links for the all-22 early in the season and then once gamepass got back up he told me, "sorry man, I'm not doing that anymore". That's when I got a VPN and did gamepass international to get better film for what I'm doing. The new coaches film interface is vomit inducing.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I want to confirm with Jonnydel and thl408. On the interception, shouldn't G Kittle come back on the route (not after the throw, but right before the throw when he close to running out of real estate). I think it would be a completion inside the 7 yard line had G Kittle came back for the ball on that scrambling drill.

Yes I do think that once it became a scramble drill, Kittle should work back towards Jimmy. Kittle's route was some sort of vertical seam route in the middle of the field, not an outbreaking route.
Kittle is open but Jimmy just shrugged off a pass rusher and isn't in a position to throw. Kittle starts running parallel to the goal line.


If Kittle starts working back towards Jimmy here, there is a higher chance of a completion. I understand why Kittle didn't - there's room for a throw here into the endzone, but we know Jimmy's strength is not throwing ropes while on the move. If this happens again, Kittle should be coached to come back for the throw, help his QB.

Here's PFF -

This resulted in a INT pic.twitter.com/qqVFqhOX98

— PFF (@PFF) January 23, 2022

Lol PFF… I see how that's misleading.

I think Kittle has to understand Jimmy's limitations by now with his injuries and know that he has to come back to the ball in that situation.

Still not a great play by Jimmy and 15+ other QBs make that throw IMO. Throwing on the run is not Jimmy's strength.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's PFF -

This resulted in a INT pic.twitter.com/qqVFqhOX98

— PFF (@PFF) January 23, 2022

I don't think that's fair of PFF. Jimmy just avoided a sack and was getting his bearings. I guess there was a moment that had Kittle open and Jimmy had his feet under him, but it was quick and Jimmy was about to escape the pocket. Just have to pick and choose better on when to push the envelope. In a tight low scoring game like this, this wasn't that time.