Next year @ QB, you want _______ under center:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by English:
We need to change the Webzone rules. No speculation, no opinions, stick to the facts.

But hey, I don't know that.

You know it's going down when English pulls out the sarcasm!

There is a man who hasn't checked the rules!

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Jimmy didn't lead us anywhere. The team wins despite Jimmy. If we had even a serviceable QB that could manage games and not set the team back we would have won 1 more SB and be playing in this one.

Getting rid of Jimmy is a godsend.

lmao what a trash take

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
You don't know that at all.

Especially with all the assets we gave up to get Trey, it is going to be much more difficulty to field a complete team roster around Trey when we have 3 more draft picks that we'll be missing out due to trading for Trey.

A superior QB with a lesser roster is still a weaker overall team. The upgrade from Jimmy to Trey won't be high enough to off-set the cost.

Meh, this team has been blowing 1st round picks for years and they've still managed to build a pretty good roster. As long as they don't trade away their 5th and 6th rounders, they'll be alright.

This shouldn't make sense but it absolutely does.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Jimmy topped out with us - he could only get us so far. Trey will be dynamic and get us farther than if we stuck with Jimmy.

You don't know that at all.

Especially with all the assets we gave up to get Trey, it is going to be much more difficulty to field a complete team roster around Trey when we have 3 more draft picks that we'll be missing out due to trading for Trey.

A superior QB with a lesser roster is still a weaker overall team. The upgrade from Jimmy to Trey won't be high enough to off-set the cost.

You don't know that at all.

You're a little late to the party.

How do you know he's late to the party? You don't know that at all

We need to change the Webzone rules. No speculation, no opinions, stick to the facts.

But hey, I don't know that.

Originally posted by 91til:
And, to borrow your language, you don't know that at all.

Lots of evidence to support it tho.

With Jimmy, we have a QB who's roughly among the 12-15 range.

If Trey Lance develops the way we hope, we'll have a QB who's likely in the 7-12 range. Do we expect him to be better than Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, or Lamar Jackson, there will still be question marks on how he develops compared to Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, and Mac Jones, and there's still QB's out there like Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, and the big question mark surrounding Deshaun Watson if he comes back and plays, all QB's that Trey is not guaranteed by any means to be better than, especially this coming year when he's likely to be behind a majority of them, putting him at best in the 12-16ish range... i.e. trading away multiple high draft picks to... stay the same.

And even if Trey Lance does develop and turn into one of those top tier QB's - ala Josh Allen who he's regularly compared to - look what Josh Allen has accomplished with a weaker overall roster. He hasn't had anymore team success than Jimmy Garoppolo had... so even if Trey Lance turns into Josh Allen, there will objectively be less surrounding talent around him due to the missed out draft picks, so there's little to no evidence to show that Trey Lance will be racking up playoff wins and Super Bowls just because he's better than Jimmy (if he's even that, which has yet to be determined)

People think it's as simple as "change the QB = PROFIT", but are failing to look at the bigger picture.

This regime is going to have to compensate for A LOT to overcome the deficit they created with this trade. It's not as simple as "Trey > Jimmy = Championship", because even IF Trey is better than Jimmy, it is very likely that Trey will have a weaker overall roster around him due to the trade to acquire him in the first place. And there is no evidence to show that the gap between Trey and Jimmy is going to be wide enough to overcome that weaker roster. As of now, there's no evidence that Trey will even be better than Jimmy.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I wish they'd just call Brady and have him demand a trade from the Buccs, but yeah, most likely its Lance. It's going to be a lot of ups and downs and rookie mistakes

If Brady were to even consider coming to S.F, what do you think it would cost?
It cost Tampa around 28 million. Who are you willing to lose to pay for that?

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Jimmy didn't lead us anywhere. The team wins despite Jimmy. If we had even a serviceable QB that could manage games and not set the team back we would have won 1 more SB and be playing in this one.

Getting rid of Jimmy is a godsend.

lmao what a trash take

That's like your opinion man.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by 91til:
And, to borrow your language, you don't know that at all.

Lots of evidence to support it tho.

With Jimmy, we have a QB who's roughly among the 12-15 range.

If Trey Lance develops the way we hope, we'll have a QB who's likely in the 7-12 range. Do we expect him to be better than Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Josh Allen, Kyler Murray, or Lamar Jackson, there will still be question marks on how he develops compared to Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence, Zack Wilson, and Mac Jones, and there's still QB's out there like Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, and the big question mark surrounding Deshaun Watson if he comes back and plays, all QB's that Trey is not guaranteed by any means to be better than, especially this coming year when he's likely to be behind a majority of them, putting him at best in the 12-16ish range... i.e. trading away multiple high draft picks to... stay the same.

And even if Trey Lance does develop and turn into one of those top tier QB's - ala Josh Allen who he's regularly compared to - look what Josh Allen has accomplished with a weaker overall roster. He hasn't had anymore team success than Jimmy Garoppolo had... so even if Trey Lance turns into Josh Allen, there will objectively be less surrounding talent around him due to the missed out draft picks, so there's little to no evidence to show that Trey Lance will be racking up playoff wins and Super Bowls just because he's better than Jimmy (if he's even that, which has yet to be determined)

People think it's as simple as "change the QB = PROFIT", but are failing to look at the bigger picture.

This regime is going to have to compensate for A LOT to overcome the deficit they created with this trade. It's not as simple as "Trey > Jimmy = Championship", because even IF Trey is better than Jimmy, it is very likely that Trey will have a weaker overall roster around him due to the trade to acquire him in the first place. And there is no evidence to show that the gap between Trey and Jimmy is going to be wide enough to overcome that weaker roster. As of now, there's no evidence that Trey will even be better than Jimmy.

I got your point but you don't know "for certain" that those two extra picks that we gave up (since we would have had to use one pick anyway, even if we picked someone else) would somehow make this huge difference in the talent on the roster as you contend.

Its two first round picks, which are valuable, I get it. But in the case of this year it's the 29th overall pick, far from a "sure thing." The draft as I'm sure you know is a crap shoot anyway.

We don't know how good Trey is going to be. The team is betting he'll be good enough to offset the two first rounders we used to move up for him. They showed their confidence in the player partly by how much they were willing to give up for him. You can disagree with that evaluation but we're just going to have to see how it works out. As others have pointed out, first round picks can just as easily turn into Solomon Thomas as Nick Bosa.

In addition you don't factor in the ~$27M savings from moving Jimmy, or the draft pick compensation from that eventual deal, which will both help to offset the loss of draft capital and allow us to add talent to the roster.

I'm not saying it wasn't a risk, but any pick is a risk. If we'd kept that pick 29 overall this year whoever we picked would be a risk. The FO is betting on Trey and only time will tell.

Lance with a vet back up like Dalton, Brissett, or Taylor..

Also, in your evaluation Jimmy is at best the 12th best QB and we say Trey will be at best the 7th best QB. Even taking that hypothetical, I'd take that upgrade all day. Did you see how close the margins are in that super bowl we lost or in that game last Sunday? These games come down to a few plays and it's worth upgrading the games most important position even if "numerically" 7th best isn't that much higher than 12th best. On the field, a few plays make the difference between winning and losing. QB is that important.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Lance with a vet back up like Dalton, Brissett, or Taylor..

This.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Lance with a vet back up like Dalton, Brissett, or Taylor..

This.

Mmmm... Brisket...

Originally posted by 91til:
I got your point but you don't know "for certain" that those two extra picks that we gave up (since we would have had to use one pick anyway, even if we picked someone else) would somehow make this huge difference in the talent on the roster as you contend.

Its two first round picks, which are valuable, I get it. But in the case of this year it's the 29th overall pick, far from a "sure thing." The draft as I'm sure you know is a crap shoot anyway.

We don't know how good Trey is going to be. The team is betting he'll be good enough to offset the two first rounders we used to move up for him. They showed their confidence in the player partly by how much they were willing to give up for him. You can disagree with that evaluation but we're just going to have to see how it works out. As others have pointed out, first round picks can just as easily turn into Solomon Thomas as Nick Bosa.

In addition you don't factor in the ~$27M savings from moving Jimmy, or the draft pick compensation from that eventual deal, which will both help to offset the loss of draft capital and allow us to add talent to the roster.

I'm not saying it wasn't a risk, but any pick is a risk. If we'd kept that pick 29 overall this year whoever we picked would be a risk. The FO is betting on Trey and only time will tell.

In addition to the extra 2 first rounders, there was also a 3rd rounder in there as well. It was a total of 4 picks, for 1 player, to give us an improvement from about a 12-15ish range QB, to a 7-16ish QB.

I don't think that sort of narrow gap is worth FOUR picks.

I am 100% on board with selecting a new QB to move on from Jimmy. I like him a lot, but I also recognize that he is - at best - around a 12ish range QB, and probably more consistently, lower than that. We had the #12 pick - a great opportunity to get a QB that we could develop behind him.

That #29 pick (and next year's first and third rounders) could have been depth for our secondary, which was probably our weakest unit all year. It could have been used for o-line depth, another area of need, especially considering Laken Tomlinson's pending free agency, the age factor of Alex Mack, and whatever happens with McGlinchey, if we retain him, or let him walk to try to get something better. That's 3 significant picks for a team that has far more than one position of need.

If we still had Brian Hoyer, or god forbid our best QB was someone like CJ Beathard, making a trade to move up would have been a lot different. But we have a good QB already, one that we are already Super Bowl contenders with. That doesn't mean sign him to another 5 year contract and keep him for the long haul, but it does mean that trading away a large amount of high draft picks to marginally improve the position at best is very short sighted. We may end up with a slightly better QB, but with less resources to address other positions of need, are very likely to have a weaker overall roster. The team then traded away assets to get weaker.

No, #29 is hardly a lock to be a sure fire hall of famer, sure. But we traded away 3 additional chances at good, quality players, on a roster that needs good, quality players.

You talk about Jimmy's cap #, and that is a great benefit. But now that we don't have draft picks, we need to use free agency to fill those holes on our roster, which can likely mean overspending.

I would have felt much more comfortable with the 49ers sticking at #12, selecting whoever fell there, whether it was Mac Jones, or even if Trey Lance fell that far as some people have speculated he could have, kept the future draft picks, and ensured a stronger overall roster, even if it meant having a slightly less exciting QB prospect.

Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

Originally posted by DrEll:

This team is built to win now. Lance isn't…he's the long term solution. If you can get Rodgers that makes you instant SB favorite for the next 3 years. Use that time to develop Trey and unleash him (ala Mahomes) when he is ready…

Seen that dude's act in the playoffs.
Might as well keep Jimmy.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This team is built to win now. Lance isn't…he's the long term solution. If you can get Rodgers that makes you instant SB favorite for the next 3 years. Use that time to develop Trey and unleash him (ala Mahomes) when he is ready…

Seen that dude's act in the playoffs.
Might as well keep Jimmy.

Yeah Rodgers if you want to go 13-4 and just turn off the tv after that