Next year @ QB, you want _______ under center:

JG

I'd like to see Trey. it would be a waste of draft picks if we didn't develop him. If we try to get Aaron or TB, it would cost us a fortune and it would be a short term fix.

Trey Lance

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by DrEll:
This team is built to win now. Lance isn't…he's the long term solution. If you can get Rodgers that makes you instant SB favorite for the next 3 years. Use that time to develop Trey and unleash him (ala Mahomes) when he is ready…

Seen that dude's act in the playoffs.
Might as well keep Jimmy.

Yeah Rodgers if you want to go 13-4 and just turn off the tv after that

The one year he had an actual good defense he won a SB. The fact is they've failed him year after year in building a good team around him, even on the offensive side. There's a reason everyone in the media supported him when he called out the Packers FO last year.

With that said, still rather go with Lance.

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

The roadmap for me was 3 years. But Niner fans, aka Jimmy fans believed that he should be benched like Mahomes and Rodgers, so he can "learn". Well, I guess we'll see about that next year. I'm of the belief that you don't learn jack s**t though, and I think Steve Young said the same thing. I'm treating Trey's next year like his official rookie season. You need to play games to get used to NFL speed and timing.

By the time Trey learns, the roster might not be the same. But thats why these guys get paid the big bucks. They should be able to restock the cupboard. As long as the foundational key pieces like Warner, Kittle, Bosa, and Deebo stick around, it probably won't be too bad.

I think you guys underestimate Kyle and Lynch's desire to win it all NOW. There's a reason why they desperately tried to sign every and any free agent quarterback last year. There's a reason why they sold out for Trey Lance.

What's telling is that despite giving up all that capital to draft a guy number 3 overall, they STILL didn't think he was worth starting over a guy that they'd been trying to replace for the past few months.

Even now in Kyle's latest press conference, he stated that he advised Trey to take some time off and work on his mechanics and technique. What does that say about how he feels about Trey going forward?

I think Kyle and Lynch will push hard for Aaron Rodgers. No way Kyle is going to accept losing to his apprentice in the NFCC game, and he knows a raw Trey Lance will likely not be enough to overcome the teams in our division. I'm thinking we package Jimmy in a deal to the Packers (that would make Jimmy happy as well) with Greenlaw and some draft capital for Aaron Rodgers. This sets up Rodgers to play here for next 3 years to end his career (giving us a legit SB shot in each of those seasons) while we groom Trey.

it's gonna happen. Watch !

Originally posted by DrEll:
I think you guys underestimate Kyle and Lynch's desire to win it all NOW. There's a reason why they desperately tried to sign every and any free agent quarterback last year. There's a reason why they sold out for Trey Lance.

What's telling is that despite giving up all that capital to draft a guy number 3 overall, they STILL didn't think he was worth starting over a guy that they'd been trying to replace for the past few months.

Even now in Kyle's latest press conference, he stated that he advised Trey to take some time off and work on his mechanics and technique. What does that say about how he feels about Trey going forward?

I think Kyle and Lynch will push hard for Aaron Rodgers. No way Kyle is going to accept losing to his apprentice in the NFCC game, and he knows a raw Trey Lance will likely not be enough to overcome the teams in our division. I'm thinking we package Jimmy in a deal to the Packers (that would make Jimmy happy as well) with Greenlaw and some draft capital for Aaron Rodgers. This sets up Rodgers to play here for next 3 years to end his career (giving us a legit SB shot in each of those seasons) while we groom Trey.

it's gonna happen. Watch !

Lol

Trey Lance

He is going to win a lot of games for the 49ers and make his mark in the team's lore. We had our chances for Brady and Rodgers and screwed the pooch each time. Those painful failures are in the past, one is now retired and the other is still good but at the ass end of his career. In a world where we didn't trade what we did for that 3rd pick because we believed in a player at that spot, maybe we would trade for a Rodgers, but that ship has sailed. There will be struggles along the way but I think we will end up having taken the best QB in the 2021 draft class.

Originally posted by DrEll:
I think you guys underestimate Kyle and Lynch's desire to win it all NOW. There's a reason why they desperately tried to sign every and any free agent quarterback last year. There's a reason why they sold out for Trey Lance.

What's telling is that despite giving up all that capital to draft a guy number 3 overall, they STILL didn't think he was worth starting over a guy that they'd been trying to replace for the past few months.

Even now in Kyle's latest press conference, he stated that he advised Trey to take some time off and work on his mechanics and technique. What does that say about how he feels about Trey going forward?

I think Kyle and Lynch will push hard for Aaron Rodgers. No way Kyle is going to accept losing to his apprentice in the NFCC game, and he knows a raw Trey Lance will likely not be enough to overcome the teams in our division. I'm thinking we package Jimmy in a deal to the Packers (that would make Jimmy happy as well) with Greenlaw and some draft capital for Aaron Rodgers. This sets up Rodgers to play here for next 3 years to end his career (giving us a legit SB shot in each of those seasons) while we groom Trey.

it's gonna happen. Watch !

Originally posted by DrEll:
I think you guys underestimate Kyle and Lynch's desire to win it all NOW. There's a reason why they desperately tried to sign every and any free agent quarterback last year. There's a reason why they sold out for Trey Lance.

What's telling is that despite giving up all that capital to draft a guy number 3 overall, they STILL didn't think he was worth starting over a guy that they'd been trying to replace for the past few months.

Even now in Kyle's latest press conference, he stated that he advised Trey to take some time off and work on his mechanics and technique. What does that say about how he feels about Trey going forward?

I think Kyle and Lynch will push hard for Aaron Rodgers. No way Kyle is going to accept losing to his apprentice in the NFCC game, and he knows a raw Trey Lance will likely not be enough to overcome the teams in our division. I'm thinking we package Jimmy in a deal to the Packers (that would make Jimmy happy as well) with Greenlaw and some draft capital for Aaron Rodgers. This sets up Rodgers to play here for next 3 years to end his career (giving us a legit SB shot in each of those seasons) while we groom Trey.

it's gonna happen. Watch !

That he wants him to continue to improve. Not sure why you would take that the wrong way.

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by 91til:
I got your point but you don't know "for certain" that those two extra picks that we gave up (since we would have had to use one pick anyway, even if we picked someone else) would somehow make this huge difference in the talent on the roster as you contend.

Its two first round picks, which are valuable, I get it. But in the case of this year it's the 29th overall pick, far from a "sure thing." The draft as I'm sure you know is a crap shoot anyway.

We don't know how good Trey is going to be. The team is betting he'll be good enough to offset the two first rounders we used to move up for him. They showed their confidence in the player partly by how much they were willing to give up for him. You can disagree with that evaluation but we're just going to have to see how it works out. As others have pointed out, first round picks can just as easily turn into Solomon Thomas as Nick Bosa.

In addition you don't factor in the ~$27M savings from moving Jimmy, or the draft pick compensation from that eventual deal, which will both help to offset the loss of draft capital and allow us to add talent to the roster.

I'm not saying it wasn't a risk, but any pick is a risk. If we'd kept that pick 29 overall this year whoever we picked would be a risk. The FO is betting on Trey and only time will tell.

In addition to the extra 2 first rounders, there was also a 3rd rounder in there as well. It was a total of 4 picks, for 1 player, to give us an improvement from about a 12-15ish range QB, to a 7-16ish QB.

I don't think that sort of narrow gap is worth FOUR picks.

I am 100% on board with selecting a new QB to move on from Jimmy. I like him a lot, but I also recognize that he is - at best - around a 12ish range QB, and probably more consistently, lower than that. We had the #12 pick - a great opportunity to get a QB that we could develop behind him.

That #29 pick (and next year's first and third rounders) could have been depth for our secondary, which was probably our weakest unit all year. It could have been used for o-line depth, another area of need, especially considering Laken Tomlinson's pending free agency, the age factor of Alex Mack, and whatever happens with McGlinchey, if we retain him, or let him walk to try to get something better. That's 3 significant picks for a team that has far more than one position of need.

If we still had Brian Hoyer, or god forbid our best QB was someone like CJ Beathard, making a trade to move up would have been a lot different. But we have a good QB already, one that we are already Super Bowl contenders with. That doesn't mean sign him to another 5 year contract and keep him for the long haul, but it does mean that trading away a large amount of high draft picks to marginally improve the position at best is very short sighted. We may end up with a slightly better QB, but with less resources to address other positions of need, are very likely to have a weaker overall roster. The team then traded away assets to get weaker.

No, #29 is hardly a lock to be a sure fire hall of famer, sure. But we traded away 3 additional chances at good, quality players, on a roster that needs good, quality players.

You talk about Jimmy's cap #, and that is a great benefit. But now that we don't have draft picks, we need to use free agency to fill those holes on our roster, which can likely mean overspending.

I would have felt much more comfortable with the 49ers sticking at #12, selecting whoever fell there, whether it was Mac Jones, or even if Trey Lance fell that far as some people have speculated he could have, kept the future draft picks, and ensured a stronger overall roster, even if it meant having a slightly less exciting QB prospect.

Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

Beautiful post

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by 91til:
I got your point but you don't know "for certain" that those two extra picks that we gave up (since we would have had to use one pick anyway, even if we picked someone else) would somehow make this huge difference in the talent on the roster as you contend.

Its two first round picks, which are valuable, I get it. But in the case of this year it's the 29th overall pick, far from a "sure thing." The draft as I'm sure you know is a crap shoot anyway.

We don't know how good Trey is going to be. The team is betting he'll be good enough to offset the two first rounders we used to move up for him. They showed their confidence in the player partly by how much they were willing to give up for him. You can disagree with that evaluation but we're just going to have to see how it works out. As others have pointed out, first round picks can just as easily turn into Solomon Thomas as Nick Bosa.

In addition you don't factor in the ~$27M savings from moving Jimmy, or the draft pick compensation from that eventual deal, which will both help to offset the loss of draft capital and allow us to add talent to the roster.

I'm not saying it wasn't a risk, but any pick is a risk. If we'd kept that pick 29 overall this year whoever we picked would be a risk. The FO is betting on Trey and only time will tell.

In addition to the extra 2 first rounders, there was also a 3rd rounder in there as well. It was a total of 4 picks, for 1 player, to give us an improvement from about a 12-15ish range QB, to a 7-16ish QB.

I don't think that sort of narrow gap is worth FOUR picks.

I am 100% on board with selecting a new QB to move on from Jimmy. I like him a lot, but I also recognize that he is - at best - around a 12ish range QB, and probably more consistently, lower than that. We had the #12 pick - a great opportunity to get a QB that we could develop behind him.

That #29 pick (and next year's first and third rounders) could have been depth for our secondary, which was probably our weakest unit all year. It could have been used for o-line depth, another area of need, especially considering Laken Tomlinson's pending free agency, the age factor of Alex Mack, and whatever happens with McGlinchey, if we retain him, or let him walk to try to get something better. That's 3 significant picks for a team that has far more than one position of need.

If we still had Brian Hoyer, or god forbid our best QB was someone like CJ Beathard, making a trade to move up would have been a lot different. But we have a good QB already, one that we are already Super Bowl contenders with. That doesn't mean sign him to another 5 year contract and keep him for the long haul, but it does mean that trading away a large amount of high draft picks to marginally improve the position at best is very short sighted. We may end up with a slightly better QB, but with less resources to address other positions of need, are very likely to have a weaker overall roster. The team then traded away assets to get weaker.

No, #29 is hardly a lock to be a sure fire hall of famer, sure. But we traded away 3 additional chances at good, quality players, on a roster that needs good, quality players.

You talk about Jimmy's cap #, and that is a great benefit. But now that we don't have draft picks, we need to use free agency to fill those holes on our roster, which can likely mean overspending.

I would have felt much more comfortable with the 49ers sticking at #12, selecting whoever fell there, whether it was Mac Jones, or even if Trey Lance fell that far as some people have speculated he could have, kept the future draft picks, and ensured a stronger overall roster, even if it meant having a slightly less exciting QB prospect.

Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

Beautiful post

I guess it comes down to what your goal is. If being competitive and making the playoffs year in and year out, but never truly being a SB contender is adequate, then the Mac Jones / Jimmy Garoppolo' of the world will work.

If actually winning a championship is the goal, then you need more from your QB. Will Lance be that guy, who knows. But at a minimum, he has the potential to be a Josh Allen, Pat Mahomes, Justin Herbert type. The type of QB vying for championships over the next decade. The Pats with Mac will compete, but in similar fashion to Jimmy, when it comes down to it, the running game and defense won't get you all the way over the hump.

If we picked Jones at 12, we'd secure ourselves a decade of winning seasons and maybe even a few SB runs, but like Jimmy, those seasons would come up short when the run game and defense slips and the game is won or lost with the QB.

I hope Lance will get there, I'm assuming most here agree. Even if he fails, we at least took a shot with a QB that COULD get there, not settling for one that cannot, even if his floor is higher.

Sir Lancelot

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by 91til:
I got your point but you don't know "for certain" that those two extra picks that we gave up (since we would have had to use one pick anyway, even if we picked someone else) would somehow make this huge difference in the talent on the roster as you contend.

Its two first round picks, which are valuable, I get it. But in the case of this year it's the 29th overall pick, far from a "sure thing." The draft as I'm sure you know is a crap shoot anyway.

We don't know how good Trey is going to be. The team is betting he'll be good enough to offset the two first rounders we used to move up for him. They showed their confidence in the player partly by how much they were willing to give up for him. You can disagree with that evaluation but we're just going to have to see how it works out. As others have pointed out, first round picks can just as easily turn into Solomon Thomas as Nick Bosa.

In addition you don't factor in the ~$27M savings from moving Jimmy, or the draft pick compensation from that eventual deal, which will both help to offset the loss of draft capital and allow us to add talent to the roster.

I'm not saying it wasn't a risk, but any pick is a risk. If we'd kept that pick 29 overall this year whoever we picked would be a risk. The FO is betting on Trey and only time will tell.

In addition to the extra 2 first rounders, there was also a 3rd rounder in there as well. It was a total of 4 picks, for 1 player, to give us an improvement from about a 12-15ish range QB, to a 7-16ish QB.

I don't think that sort of narrow gap is worth FOUR picks.

I am 100% on board with selecting a new QB to move on from Jimmy. I like him a lot, but I also recognize that he is - at best - around a 12ish range QB, and probably more consistently, lower than that. We had the #12 pick - a great opportunity to get a QB that we could develop behind him.

That #29 pick (and next year's first and third rounders) could have been depth for our secondary, which was probably our weakest unit all year. It could have been used for o-line depth, another area of need, especially considering Laken Tomlinson's pending free agency, the age factor of Alex Mack, and whatever happens with McGlinchey, if we retain him, or let him walk to try to get something better. That's 3 significant picks for a team that has far more than one position of need.

If we still had Brian Hoyer, or god forbid our best QB was someone like CJ Beathard, making a trade to move up would have been a lot different. But we have a good QB already, one that we are already Super Bowl contenders with. That doesn't mean sign him to another 5 year contract and keep him for the long haul, but it does mean that trading away a large amount of high draft picks to marginally improve the position at best is very short sighted. We may end up with a slightly better QB, but with less resources to address other positions of need, are very likely to have a weaker overall roster. The team then traded away assets to get weaker.

No, #29 is hardly a lock to be a sure fire hall of famer, sure. But we traded away 3 additional chances at good, quality players, on a roster that needs good, quality players.

You talk about Jimmy's cap #, and that is a great benefit. But now that we don't have draft picks, we need to use free agency to fill those holes on our roster, which can likely mean overspending.

I would have felt much more comfortable with the 49ers sticking at #12, selecting whoever fell there, whether it was Mac Jones, or even if Trey Lance fell that far as some people have speculated he could have, kept the future draft picks, and ensured a stronger overall roster, even if it meant having a slightly less exciting QB prospect.

Not to mention, how long is it going to take Trey Lance to even reach that 7-16 range? Because as it stands right now, we STILL have the worst QB in the division, and very likely have the worst QB on the field in any game we play next year. So we can probably just wipe out one entire year from our already dwindling window because of the decision to trade away everything to get off of Jimmy.

Beautiful post

That's sort of true. Sadly so.