The reason we lost nobody wants to talk about

Originally posted by Eli_23:
8 Yards of offense in the 4th quarter

THE ONLY REASON WHY WE LOST.

JIMMY WENT FULL RETARD MODE WHEN IT MATTERED MOST!

Kyle and 4th quarter playcalling

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick in years. I think they showed a graphic yesterday that said they don't have anther one until 2024 which they might trade before then. You can build a team with free agents and trades if you are willing to sacrifice the draft picks. The draft is a cheaper way to build but free agents and trades give you players that have already proved they can play in the NFL.

Way to totally miss my point.

The Packers aren't going to want to listen to us for an offer on Rodgers because we have nothing to offer them.

The Rams trading away their draft picks for players like Ramsey have nothing to do with that.

We can't do a trade for Rodgers without giving up a player, and that comes with salary cap implications.

That's why the Packers are going to want draft picks. They're cheaper (especially for a team with cap problems) and they're more flexible.

The Rams approach has nothing to do with the Packers and a potential Rodgers trade. The Rams traded away draft picks for star, proven players. The Packers would be trading a star, proven player for draft picks. Totally different situation.

Why does it have to be 1 reason?

1. Jimmy clutch wasn't clutch at all
2. The oline was ass all game
3. The running game was s**t
4. Kyle's gameplan and playcalling was extremely disappointing.
5. The defense was pathetic and demeco got outcoached.

The whole team failed.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

We went 6 - 0 running the ball on them across many seasons. But couldn't tonight. What changed so much?

They won the trenches. They actually tired out our defense.

Yes they absolutely won in the trenches tonight big time. That usually is our game. The punched us in the mouth. We have been doing that to them for 6 - 0 prior. It's unbelievable.

You are wrong. The difference is Jimmy wasn't playing like a scrub. In the first game, the offense was converting third downs, wearing out their defense. When you play an offense designed to protect the QB like we do, you HAVE to convert third downs.

You know, deep down you KNOW, if we had a legitimate QB they couldn't play 9 in the box and force us to drive the field.

I said it MONTHS ago: you CANNOT depend on an offense that runs the ball and covert third downs all the time. At some point the luck will run out. THAT is what happened. We played also-ran football and got bounced.

Of all the teams who made it, only four ran offenses designed to prevent the QB from ruining everything: us, the Titans, the Raiders and the Eagles. That's what sucks the most: despite running an offense usually guaranteed to get you to 8-8 or a one-and-done playoff spot at best, we got to the NFCCG. That's how talented this team is.

And now we get to watch a Super Bowl with two teams whose offense runs through their QB, as envious as we've been since Steve Young retired. All of you realize this. I can't imagine deep down you don't know it, but loyalty to a good guy prevents you from allowing yourself to see it. There's now way you guys can't see that the way to win in the NFL is to have a great quarterback.

But perhaps Trey Lance can pull us from the over two decade old nightmare.

For me it's a bunch of things why they were ineffective running the ball:

#1 Injuries. Not using it as an excuse, but these guys bodies were broken. The Green Bay game was too much to overcome on a short week.

#2 Kyle Shanahan's stubbornness. Jeez dude at some point you need to abandon the run and just pass it. The Rams were weak at LB and FS/SS. Why not attack it?

#3 Jimmy G doesn't scare anyone. Get an effective QB and teams can't load the box.

Kittle was talking about when they would runn motions pre-snap LA was just sending LBers thru the A and B gaps all game. Jimmy was blitzed between 50-60% of his drop backs.

I think a few things went wrong yesterday. Number one on the list is the entire team looked gassed. Aside from Bosa, our defensive line was neutralized. The linebackers were a step slow all day. The defensive backfield never did get into rhythm.

The other key factor was Elijah Mitchell wasn't 100%.

Lastly, and Troy Aikman eluded to this when he said "all these runs are building up to something", this never happened. We had almost zero play action. I'm sorry but Kyle has to find a way to get the ball into Kittle's hands at least 5 times in order to win this thing. I didn't like Kyle's play calling at all. I feel like we let the Rams off the hook by not being more aggressive. If at the end of the day the aggressive play doesn't pan out, it's ok. At least we tried. We didn't. Up by 10, we never went for the jugular.

We lost because we're a run heavy team. LA knew it and decided to stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle knew that LA would stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle decided not to change the game plan because he doesn't trust Jimmy.

it's as simple as that.

Originally posted by DrEll:
We lost because we're a run heavy team. LA knew it and decided to stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle knew that LA would stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle decided not to change the game plan because he doesn't trust Jimmy.

it's as simple as that.

If this is true then we have bigger issues than just Jimmy because it means Kyle coached to lose this game.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Kittle was talking about when they would runn motions pre-snap LA was just sending LBers thru the A and B gaps all game. Jimmy was blitzed between 50-60% of his drop backs.

Specifically run-blitzing - so also meant to stuff all lanes (cut backs included).

Yeah that's always been a thing vs SF. Getting blitzed on over 50% of your drop backs is insane…zero faith in Jimmy beating those blitzes.

A lot of great points on here.

Injuries
Stubborn Kyle
No Killer Instinct
Jimmy G sucks
Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy
Bad Gameplan/Playcalling

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by DrEll:
We lost because we're a run heavy team. LA knew it and decided to stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle knew that LA would stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle decided not to change the game plan because he doesn't trust Jimmy.

it's as simple as that.

If this is true then we have bigger issues than just Jimmy because it means Kyle coached to lose this game.

Lol what? Kyle has called this offense to fit Jimmy as best as he could for years…if Jimmy can't run this offensive scheme with the talent setup for him, then he's not gonna be successful anywhere else.

What a straw man argument to defend the QB and s**t on the HC.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The Rams haven't had a 1st round pick in years. I think they showed a graphic yesterday that said they don't have anther one until 2024 which they might trade before then. You can build a team with free agents and trades if you are willing to sacrifice the draft picks. The draft is a cheaper way to build but free agents and trades give you players that have already proved they can play in the NFL.

Way to totally miss my point.

The Packers aren't going to want to listen to us for an offer on Rodgers because we have nothing to offer them.

The Rams trading away their draft picks for players like Ramsey have nothing to do with that.

We can't do a trade for Rodgers without giving up a player, and that comes with salary cap implications.

That's why the Packers are going to want draft picks. They're cheaper (especially for a team with cap problems) and they're more flexible.

The Rams approach has nothing to do with the Packers and a potential Rodgers trade. The Rams traded away draft picks for star, proven players. The Packers would be trading a star, proven player for draft picks. Totally different situation.

I wouldn't want Rodgers. He'll be 37 next year and he comes with his own baggage. He's a great talent but I wouldn't mortgage the fuyure for a player that old. How many years does he have left?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol what? Kyle has called this offense to fit Jimmy as best as he could for years…if Jimmy can't run this offensive scheme with the talent setup for him, then he's not gonna be successful anywhere else.

What a straw man argument to defend the QB and s**t on the HC.

As bad as Jimmy Is at times, Kyle did Jim no favours by constantly putting Him ( JG ) In bad situations to begin with. It's fair to say that both, Kyle and Jimmy are to blame for that s**t show

Originally posted by Sickaa:
As bad as Jimmy Is at times, Kyle did Jim no favours by constantly putting Him ( JG ) In bad situations to begin with. It's fair to say that both, Kyle and Jimmy are to blame for that s**t show

Kyle's play calling on first downs in particular was horrific. I don't care if he didn't trust Jimmy or not. Jimmy is an NFL caliber QB. Kyle opted for Jimmy over Trey. Jimmy HAS delivered in the past. Not saying it would have been successful but Kyle never allowed Jimmy to make those play action calls to punish the Rams and get them out of the box. Where were the screen passes to Mitchell?