The reason we lost nobody wants to talk about

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by rk1642:
original post was perfect, now come the excuses about coaching and Jimmy

Play calling and Jimmy's execution follow the s**t show we had from the oline yesterday. The O is setup to run the ball and then play action, we all know this. Could not run the ball yesterday so play action was pretty much dead. You can cry all you want about Jimmy, but his passer rating up to the 4th qtr was over a 100 I believe. Then the line from the center to the rt completely collapsed. They stood there like turnstiles, arms out guarding air but letting free rushers left and right. I agree Jimmy is not a top 10 but he's alot better than this crowd gives him credit for and unless we address the oline next year, Trey is going to be running for his life and his development will be stalled at best.

The team couldn't run because the Rams rightfully had no respect for Jimmy's ability to beat them. This will not be the case with Trey, who has shown repeatedly he can beat a defense deep and has no qualms about throwing downfield.

Throwing deep isn't what backs a defense out. Beating the blitz and consistently burning them in the passing game does when stacked. Trey will have to learn to consistently be efficient in the passing game esp. early when every defense will stack the box and run blitz initially.

It isn't the threat of beating a blitz that keeps 8 and 9 men out of the box. It's the deep threat that does that.

It is not blitz beating that makes every defense play two high safeties against the Chiefs. It's the threat of the deep pass FROM THE QUARTERBACK. I capitalized that because I know you're already pulling out your go-to false claim that Deebo and Aiyuk can't beat corners deep. But a deep passing game isn't just 9 routes. With Trey we will be able to regularly use deep corners, posts, deep crossers outside the numbers, and deep play-action.

Teams might start the 8 box stuff, but when Trey starts burning defenses like he did against the Texans, this offense will more closely resemble the 2016 Falcons.

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P.S. Jimmy is not efficient. Efficient QBs don't turn the ball over at such a high rate. Jimmy has punctuated efficiency. He'll go a drove or two being efficient, but it's surrounded by stagnation and interceptions. Jimmy is NOT a good game manager. Trey showed in college that he IS. As he learns the NFL game, I am quite sure Trey will continue on being what he is: a good game manager who can attack every corner of the field, but who can also run as an added bonus.

Nice assessment Rings! I totally agree, and am excited for Trey!

Originally posted by NCommand:
The problem is that when our PP fails, it usually collapses completely and quickly as a unit. That's why Trey got sacked so much too. But he does give you a much better shot at fails.

Jimmy's 30 with a reconstructed ACL and bum calf. No he's not going to be prancing out there like Richard the lionheart

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

Jimmy G played pretty good

i think the problem was the right side of the OL. I know peoople are emotional rather than rational but honestly thats what happened

Originally posted by Wrathman:
Nice assessment Rings! I totally agree, and am excited for Trey!

Oh....hes not even a good game manager now ... despite being 31 and 15 and going to two championship games in 3 years.

It never stops in the web zone.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

Jimmy G played pretty good

i think the problem was the right side of the OL. I know peoople are emotional rather than rational but honestly thats what happened

You mean the offensive line that gave up zero sacks in the Rams game?

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

So this. The Rams used the formula that other teams have tried to execute against us but simply failed. If you can stop the run against this 49ers team you are likely to win because Jimmy G WILL make some boneheaded plays that will give you the advantage.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

Jimmy G played pretty good

i think the problem was the right side of the OL. I know peoople are emotional rather than rational but honestly thats what happened

You mean the offensive line that gave up zero sacks in the Rams game?

how much pressure did they give up?

they gave up a lot of pressure a lot unblocked. Jimmy quick release saved us from some bad plays. If you think the right side of OL played well then you just dont understand football and have to consider you one of those casual fans that. only look at box score and stats

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Wrathman:
Nice assessment Rings! I totally agree, and am excited for Trey!

Oh....hes not even a good game manager now ... despite being 31 and 15 and going to two championship games in 3 years.

It never stops in the web zone.

Good game managers generally don't throw picks

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Wrathman:
Nice assessment Rings! I totally agree, and am excited for Trey!

Oh....hes not even a good game manager now ... despite being 31 and 15 and going to two championship games in 3 years.

It never stops in the web zone.

Good game managers generally don't throw picks

no one is arguaing hes an elite QB. But lets show some appreciation for a player that got us to two straight NFCCG. His limitations is why were moving on but stop being so ungrateful and show some grattitude.

All i gotta say is if Lance doesnt make it to this stage next year i feel bad for him because this fan base is full of whiners who dont really think critically and only by emotion

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Every QB in the playoffs except the Eagles, Steelers and Titans QBs were better than ours.

Borrow
Mahomes
Rodgers
Allen
Brady
Stafford
Carr
Murray
Prescott
Jones

All better than Jimmy.

Really? Jimmy rated 120 into the third quarter with s**t for a run game and turnstile pass pro. Everyone forgets about every quarterbacks bonehead plays, except for Jimmy's. This is Media assassination plain and simple. Matt Stafford made a Jimmy play.

Yes. But he also made plays Jimmy can't make. Which brings us back to several months ago: Stafford is what Jimmy would be if he actually had a top tier arm, the ability to see and throw faster, and slightly bette mobility.

In other words, a better quarterback.

Pat Mahomes made a Jimmy play.

Yes. And also has two MVPs.

Dak Prescott made a Jimmy play.

And also made throws Jimmy cannot make.

But nobody's calling them for every mistake they make

That's because unlike Jimmy they make great plays regularly as well.

. Only Kyle has turned Jimmy G into the public Whipping Boy for his offense.

Kyle constantly overpraises Jimmy.

And every media head has jumped right on board. Quite unfairly. And I'm talking about professional reporting not necessarily trying to say Jimmy's doesn't have issues. No other QBs issues get put on the front page like Jimmy's. Again brilliant publicity strategy from the front office.

That's because no other team has as much a disparity in ability between the QB and the rest of the team.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

Jimmy G played pretty good

i think the problem was the right side of the OL. I know peoople are emotional rather than rational but honestly thats what happened

You mean the offensive line that gave up zero sacks in the Rams game?

how much pressure did they give up?

they gave up a lot of pressure a lot unblocked. Jimmy quick release saved us from some bad plays. If you think the right side of OL played well then you just dont understand football and have to consider you one of those casual fans that. only look at box score and stats

No team has all day to throw. If you only watch the 49ers I could see why someone would assume the grass is greener but it's not.

The entire NFL has a quality OL shortage.

Pass blocking is an issue for every team.

I would argue our OL was the best in the playoffs.

Joe Burrow almost saw more pressure in his playoff games than Jimmy saw all season lol.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Wrathman:
Nice assessment Rings! I totally agree, and am excited for Trey!

Oh....hes not even a good game manager now ... despite being 31 and 15 and going to two championship games in 3 years.

It never stops in the web zone.

Good game managers generally don't throw picks

no one is arguaing hes an elite QB. But lets show some appreciation for a player that got us to two straight NFCCG. His limitations is why were moving on but stop being so ungrateful and show some grattitude.

All i gotta say is if Lance doesnt make it to this stage next year i feel bad for him because this fan base is full of whiners who dont really think critically and only by emotion

Wrong. The people criticizing Jimmy are not the irrational ones. We will not be slamming Trey while he's in his first year as a starter. It's not "this fan base" that's causing Jimmy to be criticized. It's "this fan base" that is so delusional that they witness him do a BLAINE GABBERT and try to blame Shanahan.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by rk1642:
original post was perfect, now come the excuses about coaching and Jimmy

Play calling and Jimmy's execution follow the s**t show we had from the oline yesterday. The O is setup to run the ball and then play action, we all know this. Could not run the ball yesterday so play action was pretty much dead. You can cry all you want about Jimmy, but his passer rating up to the 4th qtr was over a 100 I believe. Then the line from the center to the rt completely collapsed. They stood there like turnstiles, arms out guarding air but letting free rushers left and right. I agree Jimmy is not a top 10 but he's alot better than this crowd gives him credit for and unless we address the oline next year, Trey is going to be running for his life and his development will be stalled at best.

The team couldn't run because the Rams rightfully had no respect for Jimmy's ability to beat them. This will not be the case with Trey, who has shown repeatedly he can beat a defense deep and has no qualms about throwing downfield.

Throwing deep isn't what backs a defense out. Beating the blitz and consistently burning them in the passing game does when stacked. Trey will have to learn to consistently be efficient in the passing game esp. early when every defense will stack the box and run blitz initially.

It isn't the threat of beating a blitz that keeps 8 and 9 men out of the box. It's the deep threat that does that.

It is not blitz beating that makes every defense play two high safeties against the Chiefs. It's the threat of the deep pass FROM THE QUARTERBACK. I capitalized that because I know you're already pulling out your go-to false claim that Deebo and Aiyuk can't beat corners deep. But a deep passing game isn't just 9 routes. With Trey we will be able to regularly use deep corners, posts, deep crossers outside the numbers, and deep play-action.

Teams might start the 8 box stuff, but when Trey starts burning defenses like he did against the Texans, this offense will more closely resemble the 2016 Falcons.

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P.S. Jimmy is not efficient. Efficient QBs don't turn the ball over at such a high rate. Jimmy has punctuated efficiency. He'll go a drove or two being efficient, but it's surrounded by stagnation and interceptions. Jimmy is NOT a good game manager. Trey showed in college that he IS. As he learns the NFL game, I am quite sure Trey will continue on being what he is: a good game manager who can attack every corner of the field, but who can also run as an added bonus.

LOL. No.

Lol. Yes.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
No team has all day to throw. If you only watch the 49ers I could see why someone would assume the grass is greener but it's not.

The entire NFL has a quality OL shortage.

Pass blocking is an issue for every team.

I would argue our OL was the best in the playoffs.

Joe Burrow almost saw more pressure in his playoff games than Jimmy saw all season lol.

that wasn't all day they gave up a lot of pressure immediately. when he had time we moved the ball through the pass well. He actually moved the ball better than stafford if you look at the stats (since you're so interested in box score)

Our right side of the OL was not good the last 2 games. It was good during cowboys game and last strech of the season. Im not saying. Jimmy G played amazing but the dropped int, and right side of OL was a bigger issue than Jimmy for me

And look at my history i am saying we should move on and go to Lance all i am saying is lets be rational Jimmy played well enough to win us the game but he didnt do enough (wasnt a game changer) and we should show appreciation for a player who took us to NFCCG 2x and won road playoff games as underdogs throught this run and we did barely lose to a great Rams team who was favored

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by DrEll:
We lost because we're a run heavy team. LA knew it and decided to stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle knew that LA would stack the box and force us to throw. Kyle decided not to change the game plan because he doesn't trust Jimmy.

it's as simple as that.

If this is true then we have bigger issues than just Jimmy because it means Kyle coached to lose this game.

Kyle was coaching to lose the second he decided not to split first team reps between Jimmy and Trey and make it a real competition in week one of the off-season.

Was a tough decision. He almost squeeked through with it too,...cant be mad.