The reason we lost nobody wants to talk about

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Exactly.

Maybe if we can a QB who was more accurate down the field, they would sell out to stop the run.

Maybe if we had a more accurate QB, we'd be more then a power rushing team.

We went 6 - 0 running the ball on them across many seasons. But couldn't tonight. What changed so much?

They won the trenches. They actually tired out our defense.

Yes they absolutely won in the trenches tonight big time. That usually is our game. The punched us in the mouth. We have been doing that to them for 6 - 0 prior. It's unbelievable.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We went 6 - 0 running the ball on them across many seasons. But couldn't tonight. What changed so much?

They actually commented to it and we couldn't get them out of it.

I really do think things change if Jimmy hits that pass to Kittle instead of airballing it like he did.

Also, just because something worked in the past, doesn't mean it'll continue to work.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You mean the rams actually executed a game plan that said we will not allow you to run and will force Jimmy G to beat us?

the right side of our line was weak sauce. They were all over it.

Actually A'Shawn Robinson was eating up the left side too and couldn't do s**t there.

Yeah Trent was certainly not 100%. Rough man.

With Trey we must improve the o-line. I would even argue it takes priority over the secondary.

Every teams goal is to stop Shannys run game. Rams were successful in doing so as well as getting their own run game going. They had a good gameplan to render our pass rush and run D ineffective.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You mean the rams actually executed a game plan that said we will not allow you to run and will force Jimmy G to beat us?

the right side of our line was weak sauce. They were all over it.

Actually A'Shawn Robinson was eating up the left side too and couldn't do s**t there.

Yeah Trent was certainly not 100%. Rough man.

With Trey we must improve the o-line. I would even argue it takes priority over the secondary.

I think Trey WILL improve the line

Well sometimes the offensive line isn't going to completely dominate with their run blocking and let the running game carry our limited QB to some Ws.

Thats why you need a dynamic passing game

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We went 6 - 0 running the ball on them across many seasons. But couldn't tonight. What changed so much?

They actually commented to it and we couldn't get them out of it.

I really do think things change if Jimmy hits that pass to Kittle instead of airballing it like he did.

Also, just because something worked in the past, doesn't mean it'll continue to work.

Perhaps but it worked for 6 - 0 across many seasons. It's obvious they were stacking the middle. I would have liked to see more jet sweeps and reverses. Commit to the run game but throw some change ups in there instead of slamming it into the very crowded middle that they wanted to stop. We didn't make the adjustments.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah Trent was certainly not 100%. Rough man.

With Trey we must improve the o-line. I would even argue it takes priority over the secondary.

We really need that damn Banks pick to pan out.

Originally posted by linkboy:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah Trent was certainly not 100%. Rough man.

With Trey we must improve the o-line. I would even argue it takes priority over the secondary.

We really need that damn Banks pick to pan out.

I really don't understand why he didn't play at all. Does Banks only play LG?? So many good players were there at his spot that would've contributed this season, unreal.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Every teams goal is to stop Shannys run game. Rams were successful in doing so as well as getting their own run game going. They had a good gameplan to render our pass rush and run D ineffective.

It was weird watching it. They out physical played us. They controlled the line of scrimmage. It's like we changed uniforms and became them and they became us. They ran better. We ran worse. Which is so unusual. With us vs them. At least from the past history.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Perhaps but it worked for 6 - 0 across many seasons. It's obvious they were stacking the middle. I would have liked to see more jet sweeps and reverses. Commit to the run game but throw some change ups in there instead of slamming it into the very crowded middle that they wanted to stop. We didn't make the adjustments.

They were also playing the edges well, we really couldn't get the outside runs going either.

One way to get the defense to back off the line is to start hitting them over the top. That missed pass to Kittle was a perfect play call and Jimmy missed it (not surprised, tbh, he's terrible at those passes).

You hit a couple of those and the defense will start to back off, and the run game will open back up.

It's QB

there's a reason Kyle's dad never won another ring as an OC/HC once he was lumbered with mediocre QB's…you can have an all-pro RB (Ricky Watters, Terrell Davis) and a pro bowl OL running your ZBS, but if teams sell out to stop your running game you turn one-dimensional

Mike Shanahan with Steve Young/John Elway: 3 rings

Mike Shanahan with whatever Raiders QB he had back in the day/Brian Griese/RGIII/Cousins: 0 rings

You need a gunslinger QB to take this offense to the next level

The bottom line is we normally have our way with other teams and punch them in the mouth. But we got punched in the mouth at the line of scrimmage. All game long. There is no way around it.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They couldn't execute that game plan for a 6 - 0 run against us. But they did tonight. So what changed so dramatically?

Honestly SD, you are kinda talking out of your you know what on this take here. You are drawing a conclusion based on this idea that isn't actually reality.

Just want to note before I start that not every game is the same (which you will see). It's not simply a matter of shutting down the run game will lead to a win for the Rams.

But just so you know, this is how the previous 6 games went, and you will see that if stopping the run game was the Rams game plan, it wasn't just tonight that they executed it.

2019G1: Rams held our running game to 2.4 yards per carry this game. We won because our defense held the Rams to 7 total points.

2019G2: Good running game here. Although only 119 rushing yards, we averaged 5.2 yards per carry and scored 2 rushing TDs.

2020G1: Rams held our running game to 3.3 yards per carry this game. We won because our defense held them to 16 points, 7 of which were sort of a garbage time TD.

2020G2: Rams held our running game to 3.4 yards per carry this game, and 1 Mostert touchdown. Solid team win that had a defensive TD, poor play from Nick Mullens but a monster game from Deebo.

2021G1: Good running game, in spite of only 3.5 yards per carry. We famously had 44 carries this game. So the Rams didn't really stop us from moving the chains but we certainly didn't light them up running the ball. Jimmy had a really solid/efficient game our defense held the Rams to 10 total points (three of which were majorly garbage time).

2021G2: Very good running game highlighted by Deebo's 5.6 yards per carry and Mitchell's solid 4.0 yards per carry. You know how this went. Offense was terrible early and good in the 2nd half.

As you can see, there is no correlation between shutting down our running game and the result of the game. We won 6 in a row, and most of those games didn't feature a dynamic running game. There was just a lot of other things that contributed to those wins (defensive touchdowns, near shutouts by the defense, etc.). I'm sure the Rams always game plan to stop the run before anything. Sometimes the execute, other times they dont.

Tonight they did, but the other parts of our game just weren't good enough to overcome a poor rushing attack. Our passing offense was decent for 3 Qs and abysmal in the 4th. Our defense was pretty good all game but couldn't generate a defensive score. Our special teams weren't noteworthy. Our whole team just didn't have enough.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Um, WHY do you think they felt comfortable selling out on the run?

Why do you think we beat them 6 - 0 running but couldn't this time?

By Jimmy completing more than 50% of his passes and not throwing game losing INTs? Has Jimmy had a single good play off game