The reason we lost nobody wants to talk about

Originally posted by random49er:
Well the passing game effects your EPA running the ball, doesn't it?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
what? Lie. Stop covering for coach. show me on timing comeback that we called in the five games?

Ayiuk runs comeback routes...Jimmy doesn't throw him the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Lot6 of simple throws that are not in our playbook. Jimmy can throw a check down. Jimmy can throw a screen. Jimmy can throw a 7 yard come back. Not in shanny's route tree. Call off the attack dogs.

BS. There's check downs all over those play calls. Screens? Like the one he threw at Ayiuk's foot? Deebo get's multiple screen passes a game. Damn near all of Jimmy's throws are easy throws. We calling a 4 yard slant "hard" now? Is what it is man. He didn't played well in the playoffs. The team ran out of gas...wasn't all Jimmy's fault but at some point you need the QB to make those big plays when you're in the playoffs.

completely and utterly a distortion. Jimmy leads the league in turnoverworthy plays because that's the playbook. Throw in tight windows between the hash. that's the game plan not jimmy's "limitation" That's what kyle wants. I bet he doesn't run through anything else in practice. The two checkdowns jimmy completed looked awkward as hell, like he had to come off the fourth read to get there. Its just not in shanny's plan. he'd rather run it for three yards. But we couldn't.

Yea the rams were selling out to stop the run. I wish we went to more first down play action but

Originally posted by Jcool:

This is how strange the discourse is- you don't even need to look at EPA or anything! This was not an effective run game! pic.twitter.com/GL5BQ5nxVb

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) November 16, 2021

What's that suppose to prove? our RBs saw more stacked backs then any group of RBs this yr. They pushed their DEs out to defend the edge more vs OZ. Avg passing attempted doesn't take into account. That isn't depth of target/completion.

I agree our running game wasn't great overall this yr, some of that is blocking and some of it was the defense taking it away daring SF to win passing the ball. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by random49er:
Well the passing game effects your EPA running the ball, doesn't it?

This is how strange the discourse is- you don't even need to look at EPA or anything! This was not an effective run game! pic.twitter.com/GL5BQ5nxVb

— Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) November 16, 2021

Yea once again...stats that are influenced by how well you are able to pass. Many of those runs are to kill clock and set up play action later. Just watch the games without skipping over Deebo's production.

Someone else said it already...just because it worked before, doesn't mean it will continue to work.

Their previous game wasn't a pressure situation for them. It was for us....so don't let that game dupe you into believing things should've stayed exactly the same.

McVay had every reason in the world to be the more aggressive coach and finally coached like it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
what? Lie. Stop covering for coach. show me on timing comeback that we called in the five games?

Ayiuk runs comeback routes...Jimmy doesn't throw him the ball.

Is it the first o[ption ever? Any good qb dials up a 5 yard turnaround or comeback on soft zone. We don't. Why? Cause kyle is too busy thinking 2 plays ahead instead of trying to get the 5 yards we need on second and 8.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Here it is guys.

We are a power rushing team. We run over people and control the time of possession. We are a much more powerful team when we run well. The power running sets up the throws for the 49ers.

Rushing

Samuel 7 - 26 - 3.7 average. 0 TD'S.

Mitchell 11 - 20 - 1.8 average. 0 TD'S.

Jimmy G 1 - 4 - 4 average. 0 TD'S.

Juszczyk 1 - 0 - 0 average. 0 TD'S.

Grand total 20 - 50 - 2.5 average. 0 TD'S.

I guarantee you it's not what we did in our 6 - 0 run vs them.

No way in hell the 49ers were going to win a game like that. That's what we did rushing. All game long. The way we are built it was our best chance.

We have our way with other teams in the run game. That's how we do it.

The Rams made the adjustments. They stacked the line and punched us in the mouth in the running game. In the 6 - 0 previous we didn't fail this bad against them running.

If you told me these would be our final rushing totals at the beginning of the game I wouldn't even believe you. It's how we lost.

Well said, I've been a fan since '79 and loved the Walsh years and his West coast offence. Sean McVey made the adjustments mainly because McVey knows Kyle Shanahan's arrogance when it comes to other people saying he's an offence genius when it comes to play calling. Like you said, the Niners win when they're able to run the ball and not have to depend on Jimmy G. So the Rams stacked the line to force Shanahan out of his running game calls and he refused to make adjustments on 1st and 2nd down plays. The Niners kept calling running plays on 1st down instead of doing the old Walsh special of calling short passing plays on 1st down to keep the D honest and make them second guess things. The law of averages would dictate that eventually the Rams would beat the Niners after losing 6 straight so give them credit for the game plan they came up with yesterday but I still hope the Bengals beat them in the Superbowl. Hopefully this is the last game we see Jimmy G in a Niners uniform, it's time for the Trey Lance era, the Niners need to find a good veteran backup for him.

Originally posted by footballxpaul:
Yea the rams were selling out to stop the run. I wish we went to more first down play action but

Exactly. putting jimmy in an empty backfield tells the defense to check out of the run blitz. Not fooling anyone. if they guess right on the first read, its a dead play or turnover.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
completely and utterly a distortion. Jimmy leads the league in turnoverworthy plays because that's the playbook. Throw in tight windows between the hash. that's the game plan not jimmy's "limitation" That's what kyle wants. I bet he doesn't run through anything else in practice. The two checkdowns jimmy completed looked awkward as hell, like he had to come off the fourth read to get there. Its just not in shanny's plan. he'd rather run it for three yards. But we couldn't.

Such a lie. He leads the lead in turnover worthy plays because he's not a great QB. He has one of the lowest IAY (and has for years) and still has some of the highest TWP and INT%. He's not throwing the ball outside the numbers or down the field. He also has some of the lowest tight wind throw numbers in the league. Stop making s**t up.

How many 4 yard slants & screens to BA/Debbo/Kittle do you need to see? How many times do you need to see s**t like this and continue to blame the HC?



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There isn't check downs in Kyle's play book lol


Kyle doesn't have screens in his playbook lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's that suppose to prove? our RBs saw more stacked backs then any group of RBs this yr. They pushed their DEs out to defend the edge more vs OZ. Avg passing attempted doesn't take into account. That isn't depth of target/completion.

I agree our running game wasn't great overall this yr, some of that is blocking and some of it was the defense taking it away daring SF to win passing the ball. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't

What proof do you have of that?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's that suppose to prove? our RBs saw more stacked backs then any group of RBs this yr. They pushed their DEs out to defend the edge more vs OZ. Avg passing attempted doesn't take into account. That isn't depth of target/completion.

I agree our running game wasn't great overall this yr, some of that is blocking and some of it was the defense taking it away daring SF to win passing the ball. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't

What proof do you have of that?

what is a stacked back? defensive backfield?

Not being able to run is like the Rams not being able to pass. It's THAT significant to this entire formula. Anybody dismissing or minimizing that clearly doesn't understand this team's formula.

ESPN said Kyle's last 3 playoff losses, he's been outscored 53-0 in the 4Q. That's a coaching thing. And yes, that includes Atlanta.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not being able to run is like the Rams not being able to pass. It's THAT significant to this entire formula. Anybody dismissing or minimizing that clearly doesn't understand this team's formula.

ESPN said Kyle's last 3 playoff losses, he's been outscored 53-0. That's a coaching thing. And yes, that includes Atlanta.

Do you mean in the 4th?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's that suppose to prove? our RBs saw more stacked backs then any group of RBs this yr. They pushed their DEs out to defend the edge more vs OZ. Avg passing attempted doesn't take into account. That isn't depth of target/completion.

I agree our running game wasn't great overall this yr, some of that is blocking and some of it was the defense taking it away daring SF to win passing the ball. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't

LOL. Maybe if Kyle wasn't so effing predictable on first downs, teams wouldn't stack the box and get this team in 2nd and 12.