The reason we lost nobody wants to talk about

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Is it the first o[ption ever? Any good qb dials up a 5 yard turnaround or comeback on soft zone. We don't. Why? Cause kyle is too busy thinking 2 plays ahead instead of trying to get the 5 yards we need on second and 8.

Yes, yes it is and yes we do.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We didn't run well all playoffs. And yes, it's football...a team game. You actually can win other ways but it stresses what you are built to do.

No I was referring to your stat from ESPN. IMO there's a reason why Kyle spent up on a QB for once...you need some sort of balance and this team is pretty much at his breaking point of what can be done with Jimmy....and a NFCC is nothing to sneeze at, but you go watch those other playoff games and see what those QBs are doing for their squads. I think I saw about a handful of 3rd down completions from Burrow that were either extending plays or using his feet to get a 1st down. SF doesn't have that in their tool belt with Jimmy.

I disagree 100%

The drive after the defense gave up the td in the 4th, Jimmy made some brilliant throws on his own the get them to the 50. What does Kyle do? 3 run plays amd then punts.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Top 3 Isn't "more stacked backs then any group of RBs this yr"

I said team...I don't have a stat for overall running game stacked boxes....whomever was the running back was constantly near the top every week though.

SO yeah you want to fight of semantics and I'll say we were one of it not the top team facing stacked boxes this yr and most years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We didn't run well all playoffs. And yes, it's football...a team game. You actually can win other ways but it stresses what you are built to do.

No I was referring to your stat from ESPN. IMO there's a reason why Kyle spent up on a QB for once...you need some sort of balance and this team is pretty much at his breaking point of what can be done with Jimmy....and a NFCC is nothing to sneeze at, but you go watch those other playoff games and see what those QBs are doing for their squads. I think I saw about a handful of 3rd down completions from Burrow that were either extending plays or using his feet to get a 1st down. SF doesn't have that in their tool belt with Jimmy.

Oh I agree. Therefore, you needed better pass protection. Therefore, you needed to have multiple short passing options on first downs. Therefore you need to run some sweeps, reverses, quickly screens (we scored on one), etc. You adjust and make life as easy as possible for your immobile QB esp. when injured once you see what the Rams are doing. You don't remain predictable.

You don't put Jimmy and this OL in 2nd and long. Period.

PS: You can also lose relying on hero ball (see Mahomes...again). 'Relying' on the athleticism of your QB is doing it wrong.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I disagree 100%

The drive after the defense gave up the td in the 4th, Jimmy made some brilliant throws on his own the get them to the 50. What does Kyle do? 3 run plays amd then punts.

What brilliant throws? The 2 yard check down to Michell or the 4 yard check down to Deebo? So we're at the point to where if Jimmy completes a ball it's "brilliant"

2nd and 1 and you can't pick up a yard...I mean that's poor execution more than anything. I was indifferent about punting there with 10 mins left...that's a Monday QBing thing after the fact.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I disagree 100%

The drive after the defense gave up the td in the 4th, Jimmy made some brilliant throws on his own the get them to the 50. What does Kyle do? 3 run plays amd then punts.

What brilliant throws? The 2 yard check down to Michell or the 4 yard check down to Deebo? So we're at the point to where if Jimmy completes a ball it's "brilliant"

2nd and 1 and you can't pick up a yard...I mean that's poor execution more than anything. I was indifferent about punting there with 10 mins left...that's a Monday QBing thing after the fact.

He's going down with the Jimmy ship lol. It's never the players fault, always Kyle.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I disagree 100%

The drive after the defense gave up the td in the 4th, Jimmy made some brilliant throws on his own the get them to the 50. What does Kyle do? 3 run plays amd then punts.

What brilliant throws? The 2 yard check down to Michell or the 4 yard check down to Deebo? So we're at the point to where if Jimmy completes a ball it's "brilliant"

2nd and 1 and you can't pick up a yard...I mean that's poor execution more than anything. I was indifferent about punting there with 10 mins left...that's a Monday QBing thing after the fact.

The Mitchell throw he had guys in his face immediately. That was a huge play. Sometimes the checkdown is the right play. The oline has been a problem all year.

You don't punt on your opponents 42 with 10 minutes left up 3, especially after mcvay got b***hed slap with 0 timeouts and no more challenges and the way the defense was playing. You put your foot on their throat.

I was yelling at my TV, and all the analytics say to go for it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh I agree. Therefore, you needed better pass protection. Therefore, you needed to have multiple short passing options on first downs. Therefore you need to run some sweeps, reverses, quickly screens (we scored on one), etc. You adjust and make life as easy as possible for your immobile QB esp. when injured once you see what the Rams are doing. You don't remain predictable

You don't put Jimmy and this OL in 2nd and long. Period.

PS: You can also lose relying on hero ball (see Mahomes...again). Relying on the athleticism of your QB is doing it wrong.

There is constantly multiple short passing options, what the heck have you been watching to say anything other than that lol. Have you not seen Jimmy's passing chart? Literally EVERYTHING is a short quick pass. All Kyle has done for Jimmy is adjust to what is best for his QB. Hence why we're leading the league in YAC every damn yr.

Jimmy has to throw those screens perfectly though, you can't bounce them off the ground, throw late, high or whatever. That's timing and he is hot and cold there.

Jimmy CAN'T put this OL in 2nd in long either...you can't miss plays like the one he had to Kittle. It's the playoffs and you can't expect to have your best player that open and you air mail it. We will see with the all-22 but the broadcast at certain times would point out a missed read on Jimmy's part (like every week).

Mahomes isn't just hero ball now though...Burrow isn't just hero ball though. Allen isn't just hero ball though...they run their plays all the same BUT when they feel like there's a play to be made outside of a 4 yard slant or the "s**tty OL" breaks down they have that in their tool belt. The margin of error of everyone having to execute a play perfectly isn't as high with those types of QBs. Teams HAVE to play defense differently then they do vs SF because of QB play. There has to be balance and I get that, no one is asking for a QB to scramble every play, but hold the defense accountable. Make it so the DL can't just pin their ears back all game. Play 11 on 11 football like most teams have too now.

They said before the game they were going to stop the run and make Jimmy beat them. Good strategy.

They did exactly that. Sold out the run, focused on the middle of the field because they know Jimmy can't throw the ball down field. Ball game.

On D, we made the mind boggling choice to let their best player beat us. We rarely if ever doubled Kupp and he killed us all night long. Every big pass play you knew they were going to him and sure enough there he would be wide open with our worthless corners giving chase.

Basically this season was a miracle. We got lucky against the Packers, ST bailed us out. We got lucky with our first round opponent being Dallas, the best matchup we could have drawn.

Normally you don't go far in the playoffs with a liability at QB and a secondary that couldn't stop Brittney Spears from catching touchdowns.

The 49ers won Superbowls with outstanding QB play. We haven't had it since Steve Young. We have passed up or missed half a dozen top flight QBs trying to find a bargain. It's not working. We will not win another Superbowl without a top flight QB. We have already wasted multiple championship level defenses trying to do so.

Go after Rogers, get Wilson, do something drastic because without a huge change there we lose again next year.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
They said before the game they were going to stop the run and make Jimmy beat them. Good strategy.

They did exactly that. Sold out the run, focused on the middle of the field because they know Jimmy can't throw the ball down field. Ball game.

On D, we made the mind boggling choice to let their best player beat us. We rarely if ever doubled Kupp and he killed us all night long. Every big pass play you knew they were going to him and sure enough there he would be wide open with our worthless corners giving chase.

Basically this season was a miracle. We got lucky against the Packers, ST bailed us out. We got lucky with our first round opponent being Dallas, the best matchup we could have drawn.

Normally you don't go far in the playoffs with a liability at QB and a secondary that couldn't stop Brittney Spears from catching touchdowns.

The 49ers won Superbowls with outstanding QB play. We haven't had it since Steve Young. We have passed up or missed half a dozen top flight QBs trying to find a bargain. It's not working. We will not win another Superbowl without a top flight QB. We have already wasted multiple championship level defenses trying to do so.

Go after Rogers, get Wilson, do something drastic because without a huge change there we lose again next year.

Neither of those teams will do business with the 49ers.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The Mitchell throw he had guys in his face immediately. That was a huge play. Sometimes the checkdown is the right play. The oline has been a problem all year.

You don't punt on your opponents 42 with 10 minutes left up 3, especially after mcvay got b***hed slap with 0 timeouts and no more challenges and the way the defense was playing. You put your foot on their throat.

I was yelling at my TV, and all the analytics say to go for it.

I never said it was the wrong play, and yes I'm glad he was able to slide in the pocket and make a throw there...but saying those throws were brilliant is silly iMO. It's like our expectations for QB play is so avg that we prop up anything at this point.

I believe I saw a stat that McVay punts more on 4th down then any HC in the NFL lol. 10mins and 3 TOs is a lifetime of football (we saw it in the Dallas game). There wasn't a put your foot on their throat moment there...they stuff SF 3 times there. I was indifferent with it, they go for it cool I wasn't flipping out over that with that much time left.

The analytics always say to go for it on 4th and short...and if they went for it and didn't get it, everyone would be upset regardless. Tartt get's the INT that next series it wouldn't have mattered

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I disagree 100%

The drive after the defense gave up the td in the 4th, Jimmy made some brilliant throws on his own the get them to the 50. What does Kyle do? 3 run plays amd then punts.

What brilliant throws? The 2 yard check down to Michell or the 4 yard check down to Deebo? So we're at the point to where if Jimmy completes a ball it's "brilliant"

2nd and 1 and you can't pick up a yard...I mean that's poor execution more than anything. I was indifferent about punting there with 10 mins left...that's a Monday QBing thing after the fact.

He's going down with the Jimmy ship lol. It's never the players fault, always Kyle.

Kyle proved to me that he is a good coach by taking this team to the nfc championship game. They never lost confidence and fought the last 4 weeks.

It is possible to say he's a good coach, and note that he has his faults. Andy Reid has his faults.

I think the real reason we lost is because OP jinxed the team in the gamday thread.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:

Go after Rogers, get Wilson, do something drastic because without a huge change there we lose again next year.

First neither team is trading with us, 2nd they did do something drastic like giving up a bunch of picks for a young QB with high end potential. Ya'll just need to understand that and jump on board.

We lost b/c our sorry-@ss QB can't push the ball down the field. 85% of his throws are 5 yards. He doesn't win you games, he just manages leads. The Kittle TD especially, was a simple throw since he was wide open. CJB could have thrown that pass.