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Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Whats going on with st? This is also a big hole to fill.

Kyle's buddy already swooped in and took the best one off the market. Kyle will probably just promote the assistant. Right???

Who was the best one? Yeah I expect them to promote Matthew Harper…he was David Flipp's ST assistant for years in Philly.

Same that's what I think is gonna happen

Yeah him or Stan Kwan...both were ST ass's. LOL
[ Edited by NCommand on Mar 5, 2022 at 9:23 AM ]
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Great points on both sides of the argument! I think Kyle would rather have kept McDaniels than lose him, and losing 11 coaches, does mean that Kyle now can't go to the Combine and have a first hand look at all the draft prospects.

Personally, I think the Trey Era demands some coaching changes - his skill set is so different from Jimmy's that I think having New coaches coming in that didn't have the old coaches habits and mindsets regarding a not so mobile QB, is more of a positive than a negative. For Example, I think losing Jon Embree was intentional. I think Kyle and Mike talked and basically said Kyle will give Jon to Mike. Downgrading Jon to 60% of his salary was one way of indicating that Kyle wanted him to go with Mike. The TE coach, I think is very central to Kyle's offense and moving Jon out is one indication that Kyle might be re-designing the whole TE position (as well as the entire scheme) to fit Trey Lance. (for example - treating the TE as more of a WR vs as a blocking OLineman) due to Trey's mobility. Steve Young killed the NFL with Brent Jones and Brent couldn't block very well.

As of right now Kyle has Forester, and they do have a WR, TE coach. The only thing missing is that QB coach, (RB coach is basically Lynn right now) so they have all the coaching they need in the offseason for player development and scouting evaluations. I don't really think they need a QB coach immediately considering Kyle will be the one calling that in (most likely) free agency vs the draft. Personally I'm hoping John Beck becomes QB coach for Trey. We shall see.

Of course Kyle doesn't want to lose McDaniels or any coach that they currently had under contract. But when you're good at developing coaches they go off and get promotions. That's a good thing, time for some of the next crop of coaches to take on bigger roles.

Kyle himself has said he hates going to the combine and doesn't see the value in it outside of doing in-person interviews. Now they have zoom and can bring guys in for those interviews just as well. There was half a dozen coaching staffs that didn't go including LA.

Embree's contract was up, they wanted to bring in Lynn one because he's a damn good coach and two because they knew Bobby was gonna be gone this yr. Not many HCs go back to being just a position coach, make him AHC (Embree's old title) and have him do a lot of what Bobby did. IMO they would have loved to have Embree back as just a TE coach. At this point in his career he wasn't gonna be paid a TE coach salary. So a new contract wasn't happening.

Forester will also take on some of the run game stuff (Barrows stated it). So you got two great minds there in Forester/Lynn plus Kyle. They need some new assistants and promotions within will be official soon according to Lynch.

IMO the biggest position coach to worry about is the QB coach...I agree, I hope it's Beck and it would make all the sense in the world. Not sure how all that works with Lance at his 3DQB camp.

No not many HCs will go back to being a position coach, but they will do it if they think it benefits them. I still think that there was a verbal agreement regarding Jon Embree, Kyle, and McDaniels. I think that could have happened after they got Lynn (or had a verbal assurance) that he would coach with Kyle. At that point, it made sense to offer Jon a TE coaching offer or go with McDaniels. I think Jon's done great with Kittle and so he's not a bad coach and i think Kyle would have liked to keep him, but not at the current salary when he had Lynn avaiable as assistant HC. That's why i think Kyle offered to keep him on the payroll. Sort of like a free agent testing the market before finally signing back with his original team. In Jon's case he found a buyer that would pay him more in McDaniels.

Between Beck and Griese, i think if you just go by pedigree - i think Griese has a much better pedigree. And overall, i think more experience vs Beck on the playing side. Brian can also use his father as a coaching resource to coach up those intangibles whereas Beck doesn't have that in his back pocket.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Whats going on with st? This is also a big hole to fill.

Kyle's buddy already swooped in and took the best one off the market. Kyle will probably just promote the assistant. Right???

Who was the best one? Yeah I expect them to promote Matthew Harper…he was David Flipp's ST assistant for years in Philly.

Same that's what I think is gonna happen

Yeah him or Stan Kwan...both were ST ass's. LOL

Uhhh. Sadly Stan Kwan passed away a few months ago.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
its nuts he booked it after 1 year. Probably messed up some way. Who would promote an oc to hc 1 year on the job. How desperate is miami.

I'll never fault our regime for that. That was totally unexpected...esp. with his addiction history and oddball personality.

Copycat league. Everyone is going crazy for Mcvay and Shanahan's offense in the NFL. Mcvay and Shanahanmania right now.

No kidding!

Agree. I think Kyle might be going left when everybody is going to go right (i.e. play or adopt Kyle's offense). I can see Kyle possibly incorporating more vertical concepts like the air coryell/Mad Bomber concepts because of Trey's howitzer. They will still have the heavy run game, read options, and play pass boots, but I can see more of a power run game - specifically for (I hope) astro-turf games - and with the power run, more vertical concepts. I think the power run is more safe for astro-turf games than the outside zone run, in my opinion.
Originally posted by NCommand:
True but usually the CEO doesn't have to train everybody down to the mail room staff. Ha

NC, you've been one of my guys on here for years, all the way back to when we started the preseason OL analysis. We gotta talk about something, though. You've developed a bit of a habit that frustrates me. You make a claim that is supported by your opinion. It is based in logic, but not supported by fact. You then discuss your claim as though it is the likeliest truth. You then reference that claim as a known fact going forward.

It's not a responsible strategy for presenting your ideas, and it makes it hard to talk ball with you.

Fact is, we have NO idea how much coordinators and position coaches are involved in assigning tasks and instructing the performance points for each task to QC coaches. It's for more likely that Lynn will hand over some footage to process and present his own points of emphasis than it is that Kyle would tell the QC, "Hey, Lynn wants this broken down, here's what he wants, and here's how you do it."

We all agree that Kyle is a pretty smart guy, and that he values familiarity and loyalty quite a bit when building a staff. Maybe that's bc he knows he can be demanding, and he doesn't want to bring someone in unless they can handle the heat and speak up with ideas. Maybe it's bc familiar coaches know what he wants and how he works, so they can help get new coaches and players up to speed and integrated.

All of that makes a ton of sense to me, but it's still all "maybes"
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NCommand:
True but usually the CEO doesn't have to train everybody down to the mail room staff. Ha

[...]

We all agree that Kyle is a pretty smart guy, and that he values familiarity and loyalty quite a bit when building a staff. Maybe that's bc he knows he can be demanding, and he doesn't want to bring someone in unless they can handle the heat and speak up with ideas. Maybe it's bc familiar coaches know what he wants and how he works, so they can help get new coaches and players up to speed and integrated.

All of that makes a ton of sense to me, but it's still all "maybes"

Kyle is pretty demanding, and probably will blow out a lot of assistants if he doesn't get the right folks that can deal with his personality. I think several other posters have named guys like Jeff Garcia, Steve Young, or in my case - Ed McCaffrey, Jay Cutler (if not for his health issues).
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Whats going on with st? This is also a big hole to fill.

Kyle's buddy already swooped in and took the best one off the market. Kyle will probably just promote the assistant. Right???

Who was the best one? Yeah I expect them to promote Matthew Harper…he was David Flipp's ST assistant for years in Philly.

Same that's what I think is gonna happen

Yeah him or Stan Kwan...both were ST ass's. LOL

Uhhh. Sadly Stan Kwan passed away a few months ago.

For real? Ah man. Condolences!
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NCommand:
True but usually the CEO doesn't have to train everybody down to the mail room staff. Ha

NC, you've been one of my guys on here for years, all the way back to when we started the preseason OL analysis. We gotta talk about something, though. You've developed a bit of a habit that frustrates me. You make a claim that is supported by your opinion. It is based in logic, but not supported by fact. You then discuss your claim as though it is the likeliest truth. You then reference that claim as a known fact going forward.

It's not a responsible strategy for presenting your ideas, and it makes it hard to talk ball with you.

Fact is, we have NO idea how much coordinators and position coaches are involved in assigning tasks and instructing the performance points for each task to QC coaches. It's for more likely that Lynn will hand over some footage to process and present his own points of emphasis than it is that Kyle would tell the QC, "Hey, Lynn wants this broken down, here's what he wants, and here's how you do it."

We all agree that Kyle is a pretty smart guy, and that he values familiarity and loyalty quite a bit when building a staff. Maybe that's bc he knows he can be demanding, and he doesn't want to bring someone in unless they can handle the heat and speak up with ideas. Maybe it's bc familiar coaches know what he wants and how he works, so they can help get new coaches and players up to speed and integrated.

All of that makes a ton of sense to me, but it's still all "maybes"

Appreciate the feedback!

Although I don't know what you're specifically referring too. I've agreed Lynn could be either a position coach and/or running game coordinator +AHC esp. once Turner left.

It was Lynch himself who said they weren't anticipating that many losses and they aren't in Indy because late February (not much time off), Kyle was hiring and now coaching up 11+ new staff. And that was my only real concern...burning Kyle out in a critical transition year.

As to the general differences between a QC, position coach and coordinator, that's pretty well know. That said, we don't know exactly how Kyle does it and some evidence is two QC staff instantly promoted to position coaches.

Looking forward to seeing the new list of coaches this week.

If you have something specific, PM me and I'll do my best to be more approachable on topics.
I approve of the new hires. I think we'll be fine this season.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bullish move for Eli's 2022 campaign.

Meanwhile a live look at Trey Sermon ------>
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I approve of the new hires. I think we'll be fine this season.
Yeah, I'm pretty comfortable with the decisions made. I like further developing Klay as Asst QB coach to take over down the road. I'm also intrigued by Cregg as an assistant O-Line coach. If we have any interest in Ed Ingram of LSU we have a pretty reliable source on staff. I feel pretty optimistic about the quality of coaches brought in.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bullish move for Eli's 2022 campaign.

Meanwhile a live look at Trey Sermon ------>

Elijah went to University of Louisiana not Louisiana Monroe. Akash needs to double check his facts before posting.
[ Edited by GorefullBore on Mar 7, 2022 at 2:43 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Bullish move for Eli's 2022 campaign.

Meanwhile a live look at Trey Sermon ------>

Trey Sermon is getting a new position coach for this season because BT is getting a body glow up. That could be a big positive considering he was a bit of a let down. Sometimes new coaching blood can draw out what the previous couldn't.

Not a knock on Turner either.
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