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Originally posted by NinerTy:Kyle is on the hot seat the moment Jimmy G walks out the front door. He put down quite a few snaps for Trey. Evidently he saw SOMETHING in Trey that he liked and BELIEVES that he can develop a champion from it. Oh, yeah. And don't forget Gentleman John. There is some kindling under his behind too
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by NinerTy:
Kyle is on the hot seat the moment Jimmy G walks out the front door. He put down quite a few snaps for Trey. Evidently he saw SOMETHING in Trey that he liked and BELIEVES that he can develop a champion from it. Oh, yeah. And don't forget Gentleman John. There is some kindling under his behind too
If Kyle's on the hot seat our front office is retarded.
Originally posted by NinerTy:
Kyle is on the hot seat the moment Jimmy G walks out the front door. He put down quite a few snaps for Trey. Evidently he saw SOMETHING in Trey that he liked and BELIEVES that he can develop a champion from it. Oh, yeah. And don't forget Gentleman John. There is some kindling under his behind too
Originally posted by kray28:Kaep was trash at the end and he is a fraud
Kap kneeled...that's why he "flamed out". Alternative explanations are insulting to listen to, and the fact that people still try to argue that football was the reason his career ended is just pretty pathetic really.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by kray28:Kaep was trash at the end and he is a fraud
Kap kneeled...that's why he "flamed out". Alternative explanations are insulting to listen to, and the fact that people still try to argue that football was the reason his career ended is just pretty pathetic really.
Originally posted by Brucey72:All QB coming into the league have things they are comfortable doing. They have throws they are comfortable throwing. After 5 game the league defensive coordinators for the most part have figure out what a QB like to do and now it is up to the QB and the offensive coordinator to change and find there soft spots. Kaepernick and Jimmy G never really did that. Both for different reasons. Jimmy did not have great arm strength so he likes 15 to 20 yard between the hash marks. He could throw it outside but I do not think he liked to. I do not think Kaepernick or jimmy G where great at reading defenses. I was a big Kaepernick fan till the Rams Literally forgot to put a guy out on the WR for two plays in a row where they did not cover a WR and Kaepernick handed the ball off Both plays to the running back for a 2 yard loss. Kaepernick did not even look out at the WR that was uncovered. NO defensive player within 15 to 20 yards. He was on his own 4 yard line and had made up his mind this is what we are going to do so he never looked at the defense. Jimmy G does the same thing on plays. They both predetermine where there going with the ball, they stop reading the D and just go with it.
Kap had all the talent in the world but couldn't read a defense. Teams caught on pretty quick and realized that if you could keep him in the pocket he couldn't succeed. At the beginning he benefited from teams not knowing how to defend fast QBs but then the league figured it out. He would have a lot less success in 2022 because teams already know how to beat guys like him. That is why guys like Allen and Jackson are so valuable because they are dynamic runners but can beat you with his arm. The play that stands out to me the most about Kap's inability to read a defense is the infamous Torrey Smith play against the Rams I believe where literally no one was over top of him and Kap ignored him leaving Smith to jump up and down.
Jimmy's downfall was injuries. He has a quick release and is good at making quick reads. He wasn't dynamic enough to keep up with the league unfortunately. His talent level(not his injury proneness) is more of a 70s or 80s talent where dinking and dunking down the field was enough. It is not enough today because it has become a passing league due to the rules and the QBs in the league right now are so talented, he just can't keep up.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
We thought Kap was the one. He signed his #KAP2020 deal and we thought we had our QB of the future. I remember watching games and him looking unstoppable with accurate passes, timely QB scrambles and explosive plays. I literally thought in 2014 that we could beat anyone. And then it fell apart. It's not just the team fell apart, Kap looked like a shell of himself, like he didn't know how to play QB. The "yips game" against the Cards where he threw like three pick sixes was dumbfounding. Then the following game against the Packers where it looked like Kap was afraid to throw. What happened there? Were there personal issues in his life affecting the field? Was he just not committed to being a better player? Was the team as a whole a cluster-F?
Or maybe we as fans had on rose colored-glasses and saw what we wanted to see.
Then there was Jimmy. In 2017 he looked magical. That sexy quick release, the way we moved effortlessly up and down the field and Jimmy was doing all of this with just a "Cliff Notes" version of Kyles offense. Imagine what he would do with a full grasp of the offense. Then Jimmy just kept getting hurt. The 2018 season should have been the season where Jimmy had to put it all together, make a ton of "rookie mistakes" and we win 10 games and get a wild card berth. But instead he got injured. Prior to that injury, Jimmy was fearless. He'd actually look to scramble and pick up yards with his legs and extend plays. He looked explosive too and illusive in the pocket? What happened? Is the team just snake-bitten?
Or maybe, again, we had on rose-colored glasses. Maybe Jimmy was the same Jimmy he is now, it's just that we were comparing it against Beathard and Mullens. Jimmy was still throwing the same bonehead ints in 2017 and 2018, we just ignored it, maybe.
Why so many false starts, with our last two QBs? Why will Trey be different?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Still trying to figure out why Jim Druckenmiller flamed out
Originally posted by pdc20:
Kaep had limitations with his trowing motion. He was not particularly great on the short and intermediate stuff. Actually, I think the Niners get the max of Kaep.
Garoppolo, I think that obviously he never was the most mobile and he´s not a threat on the deep balls but ultimately the ACL played a part. He was much more mobile and nimble with his feets before the ACL whether he played with the Patriots and the Niners.
Also you have to remember that both weren´t big prospects either. They were second rounders for a reason. So actually I think that they outperformed considering where they have been drafted. Jimmy G more than Kaep in my mind.
As far as why did they flame, well Garoppolo´s career is not finished so it´s a little bit early to close the book on him. I think he can help a ton of teams. He´s a locker room leader, an easy player to coach. Did Kaep really want to improve? I don´t have the answer because I´m not him obviously but he didn´t seem to be a huge film guy. Again I´m not him and I ´m just making assumptions based on what I saw on the field.
Ultimately, they boths failed on the last step which is probably the hardest. But they never were ridiculous. Their niner´s team just experienced how hard it is to win a Superbowl.
Originally posted by kray28:
Kap kneeled...that's why he "flamed out". Alternative explanations are insulting to listen to, and the fact that people still try to argue that football was the reason his career ended is just pretty pathetic really.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
My take:
Both had mental deficiencies and an unwillingness and/or inability to fix them.
For Kap, it was anticipatory throwing, combined with a long release. For Jimmy, it was field vision.*
According to an anonymous 49ers coach from the time, Kap would sometimes get close to finally grasping anticipatory throwing, but he could never quite get it. He remained a see it, throw it QB most of the time for the duration of his career. This was definitely his biggest on the field weakness, because his long release added those extra milliseconds. And then after the Cardinals fully exploited that weakness in 2015, he went down the tubes for an entire season. He remained overly cautious the rest of his career.
As for Jimmy, guys like Kurt Warner believes he doesn't even look at the defense post-snap, looking only at his WRs. I don't know if that's true or not, but I am very well convinced that there's something wrong with how he sees the field. It isn't progressions. It's not something so trivial. It's that his vision suffers in some way. It's definitely NOT anticipatory throwing, as he is very good at it. That would lend some credence to Kurt Warner's hypothesis that what's really going on is that Jimmy has all of his focus on his own WRs rather than the defense post-snap. Which could (probably does) indicate that most of the time he's pre-determining where he's going with the ball based on his pre-snap read.
Both of these guys had exceptional physical gifts that allowed them to be functional QBs despite these weaknesses: for Kap it was his rocket arm; for Jimmy it's his lightning release and ability to throw short with weird arm angles.
But neither one ever noticeably improved those weaknesses, and it capped their potential.
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*I'm not going to bring up Jimmy's mechanics, because those are the very same things that allow him to throw with ridiculous arm angles. Yeah, his deep accuracy suffers, but in exchange you get some great play in the 10 yard box under pressure that most QBs can't do.
That would make explain why there are interceptions where it seems Jimmy just flat out never sees the defender.
I always figured it was just Jimmy being an overly aggressive QB, in nature.
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Kap didn't focus on the right parts of his game early on. He didn't grind film study as much as he grinded in the weight room. So by year 3 when defenses adapted to him, he couldn't adapt himself and plateaued while the team around him fell apart. Still was good enough to be a starter (better than Cam IMO) but not good enough for other teams to bring him in given the controversy surrounding him.
Jimmy is a good QB, but good is not good enough given our current aspirations. Simple as that. But Jimmy will have a long successful career in this league.
