Why Have our Last Two Promising QB Prospects Flamed Out?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I think Jimmy's knee injury really killed his game. He was never a big armed guy so he really needed to drive the ball with his lower body. Also, he needed his mobility which was diminished to move around in the pocket better to plant set his feet. Also, the improv plays basically disappeared from his arsenal.

Kap's story is a bit more…complicated.

He sucked and refused to adapt to defenses figuring him out

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
He sucked and refused to adapt to defenses figuring him out

plus mechanics, film study, getting away from the weight room, crazy ass girlfriend, off field political distractions, yada, yada, yada

Originally posted by Deebo:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
He sucked and refused to adapt to defenses figuring him out

plus mechanics, film study, getting away from the weight room, crazy ass girlfriend, off field political distractions, yada, yada, yada

Yeah I never bought the "defenses figured him out" if anything that was more on Greg Roman.

The team we surrounded Colin with was as bad as any 49ers team I can remember during the years post 2013-14.

Deebo has it right. He never worked on his mechanics or learning the playbook.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
That would make explain why there are interceptions where it seems Jimmy just flat out never sees the defender.
I always figured it was just Jimmy being an overly aggressive QB, in nature.

Jimmy's interceptions because he has a "gunslinger mentality" is one of the most headscratching opinions I have read, and it seems to be said a lot. Jimmy's interceptions arent because he is trying to force passes and attack like a true gunslinger is. His interceptions are because he doesnt see and/or read a defender in the area he predetermines where he is going with the ball. The idea that he is a gunslinger which lead to his interceptions is simply false.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by 16to87:
Our last three

Hard to believe that 49ers guru Bill Walsh had five chances to draft Tom Brady, but passed every single time.

Instead the 49ers drafted Reggie McGrew. Next came Chike Okeafor, After that: Anthony Parker and Pierson Prioleau.

Hands down, that 1999 draft has to be the worst ever. None of those players made a lasting impact.

Great post got me thinking about drafts. One note the 99 draft wasn't the Brady draft. Brady was 2000.

2000 wasn't our worst draft we got Julian Peterson who was a legit stud.

The 99 draft goes in the 49er Hall of Shame. 2008 (Ballmer, Rachal) may be worse. 2012 was a disaster (AJ Jenkins, LaMichael James).

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw Grappy much like Troy Aikman.. he will never have the greatest stats obviously, and he was a right play call away or 2 from beating KC in the Super Bowl..

Troy Aikman was still among the best QBs in the league when he was in his prime. People make the mistake of looking at his stats and comparing them to modern QBs and forming an opinion based on that.

Aikman was a better QB (relative to his peers) than Jimmy, and this isnt particularly close. (And I hate using the "this isnt close" tagline because most people use it when it it actually is close. This isnt.)

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw Grappy much like Troy Aikman.. he will never have the greatest stats obviously, and he was a right play call away or 2 from beating KC in the Super Bowl..

Troy Aikman was still among the best QBs in the league when he was in his prime. People make the mistake of looking at his stats and comparing them to modern QBs and forming an opinion based on that.

Aikman was a better QB (relative to his peers) than Jimmy, and this isnt particularly close. (And I hate using the "this isnt close" tagline because most people use it when it it actually is close. This isnt.)

I read Grappy much like Troy Aikman and my head exploded

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw Grappy much like Troy Aikman.. he will never have the greatest stats obviously, and he was a right play call away or 2 from beating KC in the Super Bowl..

Troy Aikman was still among the best QBs in the league when he was in his prime. People make the mistake of looking at his stats and comparing them to modern QBs and forming an opinion based on that.

Aikman was a better QB (relative to his peers) than Jimmy, and this isnt particularly close. (And I hate using the "this isnt close" tagline because most people use it when it it actually is close. This isnt.)

I never posted that GRAPPY'S AS GOOD AS AIKMAN.. my point is that Grappy will never have the greatest stats much like Aikman.. In Aikman's best years, it was never closed to the likes of Marino or Kelly or even Warren Moon or better yet, our very own Steve Young... What Aikman had was a HC and an OC that knew how to use him best..

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
That would make explain why there are interceptions where it seems Jimmy just flat out never sees the defender.
I always figured it was just Jimmy being an overly aggressive QB, in nature.

Jimmy's interceptions because he has a "gunslinger mentality" is one of the most headscratching opinions I have read, and it seems to be said a lot. Jimmy's interceptions arent because he is trying to force passes and attack like a true gunslinger is. His interceptions are because he doesnt see and/or read a defender in the area he predetermines where he is going with the ball. The idea that he is a gunslinger which lead to his interceptions is simply false.

Jimmy's a gunslinger because he's white. No way a white quarterback doesn't know how to read a defense, he must have mastered the playbook and knows everything the defense is doing out there.

I think with Kap, this is just my opinion, but I kind of got the vibe that he liked the idea of being an NFL QB, more than actually being one (the minute details). A "celebrity" quarterback. This was confirmed by someone I corresponded with that went to school with him. He did take care of his body, but he was kind of a loner in the lockerroom, then there was studying film, working on his mechanics, etc.

Originally posted by FL9er:
I think with Kap, this is just my opinion, but I kind of got the vibe that he liked the idea of being an NFL QB, more than actually being one (the minute details). A "celebrity" quarterback. This was confirmed by someone I corresponded with that went to school with him. He did take care of his body, but he was kind of a loner in the lockerroom, then there was studying film, working on his mechanics, etc.

Yeah, and that same loner mentality would be perceived as greatness if his career had worked out.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
Yeah, and that same loner mentality would be perceived as greatness if his career had worked out.

Nah, some would just see it as weird, but who cares if he can play?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I saw Grappy much like Troy Aikman.. he will never have the greatest stats obviously, and he was a right play call away or 2 from beating KC in the Super Bowl..

Troy Aikman was still among the best QBs in the league when he was in his prime. People make the mistake of looking at his stats and comparing them to modern QBs and forming an opinion based on that.

Aikman was a better QB (relative to his peers) than Jimmy, and this isnt particularly close. (And I hate using the "this isnt close" tagline because most people use it when it it actually is close. This isnt.)

I never posted that GRAPPY'S AS GOOD AS AIKMAN.. my point is that Grappy will never have the greatest stats much like Aikman.. In Aikman's best years, it was never closed to the likes of Marino or Kelly or even Warren Moon or better yet, our very own Steve Young... What Aikman had was a HC and an OC that knew how to use him best..

Aikman had elite and I mean elite accuracy. At every level of the field. Completion percentage isn't the same as accuracy, but the Cowboys had a down the field offense, so it means more than short passing offenses. Here's his ranking in comp% over a six year span: 2nd, 5th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, and 2nd (1991-1996). That's why he's in the Hall of Fame, and that's a big part of why the Cowboys won three Super Bowls that year.

He was not the best at reading defenses. He wasn't bad. But he wasn't at Steve Young level. But he was pinpoint in a way that Jimmy will never touch. If you want to compare him to a modern QB, maybe Rivers, but on a better team. Maybe a tiny bit more accurate relative to his peers.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
That would make explain why there are interceptions where it seems Jimmy just flat out never sees the defender.
I always figured it was just Jimmy being an overly aggressive QB, in nature.

Jimmy's interceptions because he has a "gunslinger mentality" is one of the most headscratching opinions I have read, and it seems to be said a lot. Jimmy's interceptions arent because he is trying to force passes and attack like a true gunslinger is. His interceptions are because he doesnt see and/or read a defender in the area he predetermines where he is going with the ball. The idea that he is a gunslinger which lead to his interceptions is simply false.

Jimmy's a gunslinger because he's white. No way a white quarterback doesn't know how to read a defense, he must have mastered the playbook and knows everything the defense is doing out there.

The only people who think Jimmy can read defenses well are Jimmy Cultists. Literally no one else does. But there certainly is some bias there in the general population, I'd wager.

Jimmy plays like a scared baby deer.

Kap got figured out and not given a chance to fix anything.

Alex was barely mediocre on a expansion level team.