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Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Most underrated coaching hire for sure. Will we need to promote him to keep him? I could easily see teams interested in him as OC.

Not yet. I can see teams wanting to pluck our guys however- any bottom feeding team that missed out on Saleh or McDaniel.

You don't think Ryans will want an OC when he gets his HC gig? I think he will. How many assistants did Saleh take with him? How about McDaniel? Count on losing other assistants and players when he leaves.

Absolutely. I am counting on that - see my second sentence. I honestly didn't know who DeMeco could look to, but honestly, I'd go for an experienced playcaller who isn't likely to get hired as a HC if I'm him. Who is the Norv Turner of this generation?

You may, but I bet it'll be more like the Saleh hire, when he took LaFleur with him. Hope I'm wrong, because Griese has been almost as valuable to the team as Ryans, but if he really is responsible for our QB play this year he deserves a shot.

As a 1st year positional coach, he may not even feel ready to take on a larger role. Perhaps in a few years. I don't know. It depends on how ambitious he is I guess.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Most underrated coaching hire for sure. Will we need to promote him to keep him? I could easily see teams interested in him as OC.

Not yet. I can see teams wanting to pluck our guys however- any bottom feeding team that missed out on Saleh or McDaniel.

You don't think Ryans will want an OC when he gets his HC gig? I think he will. How many assistants did Saleh take with him? How about McDaniel? Count on losing other assistants and players when he leaves.

Absolutely. I am counting on that - see my second sentence. I honestly didn't know who DeMeco could look to, but honestly, I'd go for an experienced playcaller who isn't likely to get hired as a HC if I'm him. Who is the Norv Turner of this generation?

You may, but I bet it'll be more like the Saleh hire, when he took LaFleur with him. Hope I'm wrong, because Griese has been almost as valuable to the team as Ryans, but if he really is responsible for our QB play this year he deserves a shot.

As a 1st year positional coach, he may not even feel ready to take on a larger role. Perhaps in a few years. I don't know. It depends on how ambitious he is I guess.

His time on the broadcast team will be a help in preparing him for a larger role if that is what he wants to do. All the time he spent interviewing and studying different teams will give him a lot of insight into how the various levels operate - what works and what doesn't work. I remember John Lynch mentioning how helpful those times had been for him in that regard.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Most underrated coaching hire for sure. Will we need to promote him to keep him? I could easily see teams interested in him as OC.

Not yet. I can see teams wanting to pluck our guys however- any bottom feeding team that missed out on Saleh or McDaniel.

You don't think Ryans will want an OC when he gets his HC gig? I think he will. How many assistants did Saleh take with him? How about McDaniel? Count on losing other assistants and players when he leaves.

Absolutely. I am counting on that - see my second sentence. I honestly didn't know who DeMeco could look to, but honestly, I'd go for an experienced playcaller who isn't likely to get hired as a HC if I'm him. Who is the Norv Turner of this generation?

You may, but I bet it'll be more like the Saleh hire, when he took LaFleur with him. Hope I'm wrong, because Griese has been almost as valuable to the team as Ryans, but if he really is responsible for our QB play this year he deserves a shot.

As a 1st year positional coach, he may not even feel ready to take on a larger role. Perhaps in a few years. I don't know. It depends on how ambitious he is I guess.

His time on the broadcast team will be a help in preparing him for a larger role if that is what he wants to do. All the time he spent interviewing and studying different teams will give him a lot of insight into how the various levels operate - what works and what doesn't work. I remember John Lynch mentioning how helpful those times had been for him in that regard.

That is why I stated that we don't actually know how ambitious he is. Maybe he wants to move up quickly but maybe he doesn't. No one really knows. I know that I do not want to lose him so soon.
He got Jimmy to throw the ball away, twice...in one game.

This man is special. Good pickup, Kyle.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
He got Jimmy to throw the ball away, twice...in one game.

This man is special. Good pickup, Kyle.

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Another one of our coaches that will be poached off in the future
Originally posted by q0c0p:
Another one of our coaches that will be poached off in the future

Should at least have him for another year.
Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Originally posted by q0c0p:
Another one of our coaches that will be poached off in the future

Should at least have him for another year.

True. He and Brock have a special relationship.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
Most underrated coaching hire for sure. Will we need to promote him to keep him? I could easily see teams interested in him as OC.

Not yet. I can see teams wanting to pluck our guys however- any bottom feeding team that missed out on Saleh or McDaniel.

You don't think Ryans will want an OC when he gets his HC gig? I think he will. How many assistants did Saleh take with him? How about McDaniel? Count on losing other assistants and players when he leaves.

Absolutely. I am counting on that - see my second sentence. I honestly didn't know who DeMeco could look to, but honestly, I'd go for an experienced playcaller who isn't likely to get hired as a HC if I'm him. Who is the Norv Turner of this generation?

You may, but I bet it'll be more like the Saleh hire, when he took LaFleur with him. Hope I'm wrong, because Griese has been almost as valuable to the team as Ryans, but if he really is responsible for our QB play this year he deserves a shot.

As a 1st year positional coach, he may not even feel ready to take on a larger role. Perhaps in a few years. I don't know. It depends on how ambitious he is I guess.

His time on the broadcast team will be a help in preparing him for a larger role if that is what he wants to do. All the time he spent interviewing and studying different teams will give him a lot of insight into how the various levels operate - what works and what doesn't work. I remember John Lynch mentioning how helpful those times had been for him in that regard.

That is why I stated that we don't actually know how ambitious he is. Maybe he wants to move up quickly but maybe he doesn't. No one really knows. I know that I do not want to lose him so soon.

We are in agreement.

My guess is that when the season is over, Kyle will take a look at how things went and move him up the ladder if coaching is where he sees his future. I'm guessing that coaching is where he wants to go, otherwise, why give up a relatively less demanding gig that pays well? That is a conversation that he probably had with Shanahan.

I was not a big fan of the ESPN broadcast team when he was on it but I liked him and his view of things.
Props to Coach Griese: In this 7-game win streak, 49er QBs have thrown 1, ONE, interception. While the players have to execute, the turnaround for Garoppolo and the continued success of Purdy have to fall back to a certain degree on the coaching of Griese.

Keep it up.
Originally posted by dj43:
Props to Coach Griese: In this 7-game win streak, 49er QBs have thrown 1, ONE, interception. While the players have to execute, the turnaround for Garoppolo and the continued success of Purdy have to fall back to a certain degree on the coaching of Griese.

Keep it up.

I think Griese is doing an excellent job, but it's no coincidence that the improved QB play has coincided with the trade for CMC.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by dj43:
Props to Coach Griese: In this 7-game win streak, 49er QBs have thrown 1, ONE, interception. While the players have to execute, the turnaround for Garoppolo and the continued success of Purdy have to fall back to a certain degree on the coaching of Griese.

Keep it up.

I think Griese is doing an excellent job, but it's no coincidence that the improved QB play has coincided with the trade for CMC.

I certainly cannot discount the value of McCaffrey. He puts a lot of pressure on the defense even if he doesn't have the ball in his hands. However, the decision-making by both Garoppolo earlier and Purdy now has been much better than in the past.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by dj43:
Yesterday I watched the 49er podcast with Brian Rennick, Al Sacco, and Zain (?). Among other issues, they questioned whether or not Kyle Shanahan is capable of actually teaching a QB how to play the position. They noted from history that Kyle has generally had veteran QBs that did not need a lot of tutoring. Rather than teaching, he would just scheme to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. That point was acknowledged by all three. Few rookies actually showed gains under his watch. RG3 was more about scheme and the work Sean McVay did with him than with Shanahan.

The reason I bring this up is to shine a light on Brian Griese and the fact he brings a lot more to the table than did previous QB coaches here. With so much on the table with Lance, it would seem that the role Griese plays here should be scrutinized closely. We should be able to measure the value of Griese, and thus the wisdom of the hire, if Lance becomes more consistent, reads better, improves accuracy, etc. under Griese. Of course, the flip side of that would be that we could also see a ceiling for Lance if he fails to improve in those areas, something we all hope does not occur.

Also, now that Garoppolo is actively training with the other QBs, will Griese be able to improve some of his flaws? It has been noted in the JG thread that he is still the same basic QB that he was when he came from New England. That is what I see of him as well. Just drawing a paycheck for 8 years does not concretely put a lid on a player. Shanahan replacing Scangarello would seem to speak to recognition of the need for better QB coaching.

With so much at stake with the rest of the roster, Brian Griese appears to be the key guy in the building at this point. Will Lance be able to respond to Griese to bring his level of play to a higher and more consistent level?

Time will tell.

Another early view of Griese.

While we all are impressed with Purdy, I believe Griese may have done his best work with Garoppolo, getting him to do things he had not done here before.

In any case, he deserves some .

IMO, this is nothing more than another example of "Mike McDaniel was the real reason why the 49er offense was so good. When he left, the offense floundered."

How many times were we treated to thinking like this earlier in the season? It wasn't really Kyle Shanahan, it was the work of behind-the-scenes assistants like Mike McDaniel! When McDaniel left, the 49ers offense suddenly went flat. It was all about McDaniel.

Now, we are hearing the same whispers about Griese. "It's not Shanahan's work, it's Griese." And, how about this one? "Shanahan isn't really capable of teaching a QB how to play the position."

Whispers. Rumors. Nothing more. Kyle Shanahan will never get the credit he deserves for building and running the 49ers. He will never get the credit for actually HIRING people like McDaniel and Griese and numerous others. It's always someone else.

Griese is probably a very good coach. But, don't think for a moment that Kyle Shanahan is only surviving because of the behind-the-scenes work of others.
[ Edited by billbird2111 on Dec 16, 2022 at 11:00 AM ]
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by dj43:
Yesterday I watched the 49er podcast with Brian Rennick, Al Sacco, and Zain (?). Among other issues, they questioned whether or not Kyle Shanahan is capable of actually teaching a QB how to play the position. They noted from history that Kyle has generally had veteran QBs that did not need a lot of tutoring. Rather than teaching, he would just scheme to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. That point was acknowledged by all three. Few rookies actually showed gains under his watch. RG3 was more about scheme and the work Sean McVay did with him than with Shanahan.

The reason I bring this up is to shine a light on Brian Griese and the fact he brings a lot more to the table than did previous QB coaches here. With so much on the table with Lance, it would seem that the role Griese plays here should be scrutinized closely. We should be able to measure the value of Griese, and thus the wisdom of the hire, if Lance becomes more consistent, reads better, improves accuracy, etc. under Griese. Of course, the flip side of that would be that we could also see a ceiling for Lance if he fails to improve in those areas, something we all hope does not occur.

Also, now that Garoppolo is actively training with the other QBs, will Griese be able to improve some of his flaws? It has been noted in the JG thread that he is still the same basic QB that he was when he came from New England. That is what I see of him as well. Just drawing a paycheck for 8 years does not concretely put a lid on a player. Shanahan replacing Scangarello would seem to speak to recognition of the need for better QB coaching.

With so much at stake with the rest of the roster, Brian Griese appears to be the key guy in the building at this point. Will Lance be able to respond to Griese to bring his level of play to a higher and more consistent level?

Time will tell.

Another early view of Griese.

While we all are impressed with Purdy, I believe Griese may have done his best work with Garoppolo, getting him to do things he had not done here before.

In any case, he deserves some .

IMO, this is nothing more than another example of "Mike McDaniel was the real reason why the 49er offense was so good. When he left, the offense floundered."

How many times were we treated to thinking like this earlier in the season? It wasn't really Kyle Shanahan, it was the work of behind-the-scenes assistants like Mike McDaniel! When McDaniel left, the 49ers offense suddenly went flat. It was all about McDaniel.

Now, we are hearing the same whispers about Griese. "It's not Shanahan's work, it's Griese." And, how about this one? "Shanahan isn't really capable of teaching a QB how to play the position."

Whispers. Rumors. Nothing more. Kyle Shanahan will never get the credit he deserves for building and running the 49ers. He will never get the credit for actually HIRING people like McDaniel and Griese and numerous others. It's always someone else.

Griese is probably a very good coach. But, don't think for a moment that Kyle Shanahan is only surviving because of the behind-the-scenes work of others.

A big role of the head coach is to coach the coaches. Especially when your own staff gets poached. (Well, if you're doing your job well, then you're supposed to lose coaches, so to speak)
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Ngl. When he was hired I was "meh." But my man is proving me wrong!! Improved jimmy and dude found brock purdy!!!
[ Edited by q0c0p on Dec 29, 2022 at 8:42 PM ]
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