49ers QB Coach Brian Griese Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Atmleast he's worked with Shanny before . Griese seems to analyze QBs well so we'll see if he can translate that into being a good teacher.

I think to help Kyle, you pretty much have to already know his scheme. Lynn...Griese. I can't imagine him spending countless hours training coaches on his scheme. That's hard enough for a QB.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Facts. While he was never a star or anything, Brian was a winner and even made a Pro Bowl. Hopefully he can come in with a fresh point of view and help not only Lance, but the entire quarterbacks room, as we don't know who will be behind Trey yet.

In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Glass half full is having a pocket passer with great fundamentals will help lance in the passing game for more accurate throws. Glad it's not a coach with background focusing on qb running game.

Originally posted by dj43:
In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Very true. They also often have little patience with players that can't perform. Maybe that's also because it came so easy for the some of the greats that they can't understand why others can't do it. Whatever, we don't see many HOF players coach in football. Basketball and baseball a little more often.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by dj43:
In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Very true. They also often have little patience with players that can't perform. Maybe that's also because it came so easy for the some of the greats that they can't understand why others can't do it. Whatever, we don't see many HOF players coach in football. Basketball and baseball a little more often.

Yeah its why guys like rice and Montana don't become coaches, no matter how much causal fans want that to happen.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by dj43:
In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Very true. They also often have little patience with players that can't perform. Maybe that's also because it came so easy for the some of the greats that they can't understand why others can't do it. Whatever, we don't see many HOF players coach in football. Basketball and baseball a little more often.

Not to disagree with your generality, but Bill Russell and Pete Rose were both classic cases of great players who were BAD coaches.

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by dj43:
In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Very true. They also often have little patience with players that can't perform. Maybe that's also because it came so easy for the some of the greats that they can't understand why others can't do it. Whatever, we don't see many HOF players coach in football. Basketball and baseball a little more often.

Yeah its why guys like rice and Montana don't become coaches, no matter how much causal fans want that to happen.

no one saw this coming... I was hoping Lynch would at least talke to WEINKE...

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Yeah its why guys like rice and Montana don't become coaches, no matter how much causal fans want that to happen.

Lol jerry the hc. Every morning the team gets together at 5 am for the hill. Starts training Monday, no team by friday.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Im not upset. He could turn out great. Im wondering, what is our curriculum for trey? I think trey is wondering the same thing by his last interviews. Is griese expected to fill out the whole plan? Is he being handed a plan? The latter would be better i think since this will be his first time in the role.

And to answer your question I'd be asking the same about Steve since he also has no experience coaching quarterbacks in a professional system. It's not about Splash hires it's about getting the talent from point A to point B

Honestly I think Lance is working on is mechanics with Beck/house in the off-season (that's when that stuff is done) and Griese will be involved with more of the mental aspects of the game in-season for Trey. It's a collaborative effort with a lot of hands helping out….end of the day it's Lance that has to put the work in to be great.

Agreed. Wasn't Griese more of a true pocket passer too? Perhaps that's an area he can help Trey in as well from a mental aspect...timing, internal clock, progressions, etc.

I wasn't very impressed physically with Brian Griese, when i saw him play. However he has a great pedigree- with his father (I think) was a guy that handed off a lot and won a super bowl or two.

As for the coaching- we won't really know how well he will do, but from the John Lynch hire, talking head Griese might hopefully replicate Lynch's success. As long as Griese knows the various reads and progressions, he'll be fine. Tom Rathman, Ray Rhoads, Tony Dungy were all players before they became coaches.

Re:coaching adjustments and counters. I think Griese's long career will help with that, and again, his family pedigree is all-pro-football, very similar to Kyles own history.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Just as John Lynch went from broadcasting to becoming a GM, I believe this is an excellent hire. Griese's a stickler for the details, and his time as a college and most recently NFL analyst on Mon Night Football give him a unique perspective. Happy for him and the positive effect he'll have on Trey. As for Beck, he'd be foolish to sign with any team...he's arguably making very good money as a freelance coach. He's not tied down to the grueling schedule NFL coaches face every season.

I'm indifferent with the hire. I don't know anything on Griese to say he knows how to do the job or not. I know he's played the position for a decade and it wasn't because he was some elite prospect. I'll bet money Mike shanahan had some input on this saying he thought he would be an amazing qb coach or whatever.

I thought scangarello was a below avg QB coach, so we will see what Griese can do.

as far as Beck, we're getting his coaching right now which is good. FWIW he was the NYJ offensive assistant this past season.

As NC said, Griese knows the Shanahan offense, and that was probably one reason they took their time hiring a QB coach, knowing that if they got Griese - he wont need a lot of coaching from Kyle to get him up to speed on the Schemes.

As to the question of is he any good? We probably won't know until we see some progression from Lance himself. But i would trust Kyles eye for coaches. Some of the best coaches currently in the NFL were his former assistants.

Originally posted by ltrain:
Glass half full is having a pocket passer with great fundamentals will help lance in the passing game for more accurate throws. Glad it's not a coach with background focusing on qb running game.

Yeah, a guy with the last name of Roman comes to mind.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by dj43:
In general, I believe former players who were not stars make better coaches than those who were stars. Stars are often great athletes who didn't always have to work hard on fundamentals. I want a guy like Griese, who had to work on all the little details in order to compete against guys with greater natural talent. Those guys know what it takes and will coach that way.

Very true. They also often have little patience with players that can't perform. Maybe that's also because it came so easy for the some of the greats that they can't understand why others can't do it. Whatever, we don't see many HOF players coach in football. Basketball and baseball a little more often.

Not to disagree with your generality, but Bill Russell and Pete Rose were both classic cases of great players who were BAD coaches.

Could you imagine Montana trying to explain to a young QB how he sees everything on thre field and then not being able to get that QB to translate that to his play. What about Rice trying to get a guy that's 2 inches taller and much faster than he is to become half the receiver he was.

The really great players, the true legends rarely come around. No matter how hard they try they can't make other players play that well. Joe and Jerry each had sons who were decent players but nowhere near their fathers. Joe's oldest son looks like him, talks like him and has much of the same body language. He just could play like him.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
When the coaching staff can work with players…that's the start of in-season stuff imo.

Isn't there a hard day in the cba?

Players return on April 18th for can't do any on field work with coaches until the middle of May per CBA rules.

Does anyone know if he backed up for any one that was a young qb?

Originally posted by fan49:
Does anyone know if he backed up for any one that was a young qb?

SOME kid name Brady... at Michigan..