Brian Schneider-Former 49ers ST coach

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

We don't know that. Maybe these guys aren't doing what they're being told to do. Some of that may be coaching but players are still responsible in the end. Punts get blocked when the O line doesn't do their job.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

This.

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
Almost every game we lost had special teams issues that cost points. and almost every game this season we had a ST mistake

Vikings punt blocked turned into 3 points

Rams missed a 55 yard fg then gave short field to Rams who then scored a TD then a 3 andout and allowed big punt return to put them in scoring position for the game winning fg

Patriots we fumbled the kick off at the start at the second half to allow a td. still won this game

Cardinals we actually had no ST mistakes and scored a TD off a FG block but lost due to other fumbles and INTs

Seahawks Allowed a kick off return for a td, Still won this game too

Chiefs missed an extra point and a 2 point conversion

Bucs 3 missed FGs

So in 9 games 3 had no ST errors.

You missed the fake Punt we allowed in the Rams game.

cards game right after we got the block we gave up a big kick return that resulted in moody's injury which f**ked us as they lost points in 2nd half because they couldn't kick FG.

He also missed the muffed punt in the game yesterday. I would argue that mistake was every bit as big of a deal as all three missed field goals combined.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
Almost every game we lost had special teams issues that cost points. and almost every game this season we had a ST mistake

Vikings punt blocked turned into 3 points

Rams missed a 55 yard fg then gave short field to Rams who then scored a TD then a 3 andout and allowed big punt return to put them in scoring position for the game winning fg

Patriots we fumbled the kick off at the start at the second half to allow a td. still won this game

Cardinals we actually had no ST mistakes and scored a TD off a FG block but lost due to other fumbles and INTs

Seahawks Allowed a kick off return for a td, Still won this game too

Chiefs missed an extra point and a 2 point conversion

Bucs 3 missed FGs

So in 9 games 3 had no ST errors.

You missed the fake Punt we allowed in the Rams game.

cards game right after we got the block we gave up a big kick return that resulted in moody's injury which f**ked us as they lost points in 2nd half because they couldn't kick FG.

He also missed the muffed punt in the game yesterday. I would argue that mistake was every bit as big of a deal as all three missed field goals combined.

Did I read elsewhere we signed another CB ST guy ? Can't find the article but he cleared waivers.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by goatroppolo:

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
Almost every game we lost had special teams issues that cost points. and almost every game this season we had a ST mistake

Vikings punt blocked turned into 3 points

Rams missed a 55 yard fg then gave short field to Rams who then scored a TD then a 3 andout and allowed big punt return to put them in scoring position for the game winning fg

Patriots we fumbled the kick off at the start at the second half to allow a td. still won this game

Cardinals we actually had no ST mistakes and scored a TD off a FG block but lost due to other fumbles and INTs

Seahawks Allowed a kick off return for a td, Still won this game too

Chiefs missed an extra point and a 2 point conversion

Bucs 3 missed FGs

So in 9 games 3 had no ST errors.

You missed the fake Punt we allowed in the Rams game.

cards game right after we got the block we gave up a big kick return that resulted in moody's injury which f**ked us as they lost points in 2nd half because they couldn't kick FG.

He also missed the muffed punt in the game yesterday. I would argue that mistake was every bit as big of a deal as all three missed field goals combined.

I mean, look at all of the above examples...from just this season! It's unbelievable, especially for a team with this type of overall talent and its ambitions.

We know (unfortunately) what happened in last year's SB and last season throughout + seasons past. ST just continues to be an issue under Shanahan. Schneider getting relieved of his duties would be a step in the right direction.

Again, ST just needs to be even every game (or better occasional would be nice), especially against the better teams, to give this team an excellent chance to win.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

Yeah, Seattle probably just had much better players. Adam Gase was a real good OC when he was coaching Peyton Manning.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

Yeah, Seattle probably just had much better players. Adam Gase was a real good OC when he was coaching Peyton Manning.

My point was coaches don't suddenly get stupid. Fans tend to put all the blame on the coaches or in some cases all the credit on the players. Coaches can only do so much during the week. None of us is there so we don't see what they do. I'm sure they work on special teams. Eventually it's up to the players to perform. If they were doing something radically different than other teams then you coukd say their system isn't working but from what I see they all line up the same way. Once the action starts the players need to make the plays.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

Yeah, Seattle probably just had much better players. Adam Gase was a real good OC when he was coaching Peyton Manning.

My point was coaches don't suddenly get stupid. Fans tend to put all the blame on the coaches or in some cases all the credit on the players. Coaches can only do so much during the week. None of us is there so we don't see what they do. I'm sure they work on special teams. Eventually it's up to the players to perform. If they were doing something radically different than other teams then you coukd say their system isn't working but from what I see they all line up the same way. Once the action starts the players need to make the plays.

When a particular side of the game has been bad for going on two seasons now, something needs to change. I dont even care if its scapegoating, but Schneider needs to lose his job. Its been far too long for us to be inept for him to keep his job.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My point was coaches don't suddenly get stupid. Fans tend to put all the blame on the coaches or in some cases all the credit on the players. Coaches can only do so much during the week. None of us is there so we don't see what they do. I'm sure they work on special teams. Eventually it's up to the players to perform. If they were doing something radically different than other teams then you coukd say their system isn't working but from what I see they all line up the same way. Once the action starts the players need to make the plays.

The one important thing that surpasses coaching intelligence is the attitude of the squad. Deebo proved it. That should be instilled by the coaching.
I understand that Schneider just bowed his head with the 3rd missed FG. Where is the passion?

You guys have short memory

Schendier is here since 2022 because Shanahan fired Richard Hightower after the 2021 season because his special teams were garbage and we won the divisional game at Lambeau only because the ones of the Packers were worse.

Schneider was very good in Seattle but now he sucks with us just like Hightower.

This means that this is a structural issue and the main responsible for this mess is Shanahan because I just don't believe that Schnedier became stupid the moment he came to the bay.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Schneider was a very good special teams coach at Seattle. Their unit was often ranked in the top 5 or better. So what happened? The players changed. It appears the Niners don't have that great gunner they used to have. They haven't got a great pint returner and their units seem unsettled. Since this coach was consistently ranked high at Seattle I have to think it's more the personnel than the coach. Some of their good special teams players of the past have moved on to other teams.

If punt returners and gunners were the sum of our issues on special teams I'd agree. They aren't, so I don't.

Giving up fake punts, getting punts blocked, and players routinely breaking lane integrity aren't talent issues.

When special teams is a problem every year with the same coach, it's the coach. We brought in several guys who were supposed to help.

Great special teams coaches will get the most out of their guys regardless of personnel. That's not us. We need an upgrade.

Yeah, Seattle probably just had much better players. Adam Gase was a real good OC when he was coaching Peyton Manning.

My point was coaches don't suddenly get stupid. Fans tend to put all the blame on the coaches or in some cases all the credit on the players. Coaches can only do so much during the week. None of us is there so we don't see what they do. I'm sure they work on special teams. Eventually it's up to the players to perform. If they were doing something radically different than other teams then you coukd say their system isn't working but from what I see they all line up the same way. Once the action starts the players need to make the plays.

When a particular side of the game has been bad for going on two seasons now, something needs to change. I dont even care if its scapegoating, but Schneider needs to lose his job. Its been far too long for us to be inept for him to keep his job.

This i would agree with for sure

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
You guys have short memory

Schendier is here since 2022 because Shanahan fired Richard Hightower after the 2021 season because his special teams were garbage and we won the divisional game at Lambeau only because the ones of the Packers were worse.

Schneider was very good in Seattle but now he sucks with us just like Hightower.

This means that this is a structural issue and the main responsible for this mess is Shanahan because I just don't believe that Schnedier became stupid the moment he came to the bay.

Shanahan doesn't hold them accountable. That much is clear.

Schneider lasted only one year with the Jaguars. I know the head coach was let go, but if he was good, they wouldn't have let him go.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
You guys have short memory

Schendier is here since 2022 because Shanahan fired Richard Hightower after the 2021 season because his special teams were garbage and we won the divisional game at Lambeau only because the ones of the Packers were worse.

Schneider was very good in Seattle but now he sucks with us just like Hightower.

This means that this is a structural issue and the main responsible for this mess is Shanahan because I just don't believe that Schnedier became stupid the moment he came to the bay.

Yes but both seem different. Hightower had them tackling well at least.

Hightower seemed like a clueless Ra Ra type coach during his insights from pressers.

So the HO decide we need a coach with at least some clue. Schneider has not been in the public eye and when seen is not very enthusiastic.

HO will now look for someone who is a little of both or at best a figurehead that follows the Shanahan way of "don't stuff it up".

The league will continue to embarrass this unit until, as you correctly allude to, Shanahan changes or the team changes the HC.