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Originally posted by NCommand:
So how did we do on filling our needs with front line starters (not depth, but upgrades)?
Here were the needs coming into the off season:
Team Needs: CB, ER (Speed), IOL (C & G), RT, SS, XWR (Speed), QB2, T (Future), TE2, SWR, ST (Returner) & 2i
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
I'll throw an initial 53 out. I don't think their done adding players though. I got a feeling they'll add a vet safety later this summer for one. Subject to change...
QB (2)
Trey Lance
Nate Sudfield
Rb (5)
Elijah Mitchell
Jeff Wilson
Trey Sermon
Tyrion Davis-Price
Kyle Juszczyk
Wr (6)
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuel
Jauan Jennings
Ray Ray McCloud
Danny Gray
Malik Turner
TE (3)
George Kittle
Charlie Woerner
Ross Dwelley
OL (8)
Trent Williams
Aaron Banks
Alex Mack
Daniel Brunskill
Mike McGlinchey
Jaylon Moore
Spencer Burford
Colton McKivitz
DL (11)
Nick Bosa
Javon Kinlaw
Kevin Givens
Arik Armstead
Samson Ebukam
Kerry Hyder Jr.
Maurice Hurst
Charles Omenihu
Hassan Ridgeway
Drake Jackson
Kemoko Turay
Lb (5)
Fred Warner
Dre Greenlaw
Azeez Al-Shaair
Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
Oren Burks
CB (6)
Charvarius Ward
Ambry Thomas
Deommodore Lenoir
Emmanuel Moseley
Dontae Johnson
Samuel Womack
Safety (4)
Jimmie Ward
Tarvarius Moore
Talanoa Hufanga
George Odum
ST (3)
Robbie Gould
Taybor Pepper
Mitch Wishnowsky
This is contingent on Mack coming back. If so I got a feeling they try to stash Brendel on the practice squad starting out and Brunskill becomes the game day center back up. They typically start out with 8 olineman on their initial 53 which is why the team favors versatile lineman.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So how did we do on filling our needs with front line starters (not depth, but upgrades)?
Here were the needs coming into the off season:
Team Needs: CB, ER (Speed), IOL (C & G), RT, SS, XWR (Speed), QB2, T (Future), TE2, SWR, ST (Returner) & 2i
I would say SS, C and G are still major question marks until i see otherwise on the field. I like the guys they drafted for the IOL though.
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Don't discount O'Neal, he could make it, of all of them, I see West & O'Neal making it, if any do.
That's a great point. He certainly does have a path. I wonder if they'll risk him on the PS otherwise.
PS: Looking forward to debating those last few roster spots with you this year (b/c we'll agree on 49 of them).
You know it bud,
if they werent drafted i think you can assume they are safe on PS unless he just wants to go to another team's PS which theres nothing we can do about that
TBH idont see both west and O'neal making it if Mack comes back neither might make it and at S i think we have our guys (Ward, Moore, Hafunga, Odum) .
Its very clear what were doing we drafted and got so many G because we have a full fledged open competition for IOL and taking the shotgun approach and hope one/two of these guys hit
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
General team construction commentary:
Observations:
- Conscious decision to allow Tomlinson and Jones walk in FA, while not cutting Jimmy G.
- Restructured contracts allow for some FA buying power, but obviously a lot more would be available by jettisoning Jimmy.
- Big money expenditure for good corner with good coverage ability but not great ball skills.
- Dedicated money to ST contributor.
Insinuated Rationale:
- Aaron Banks and Javon Kinlaw will be the assumed replacements for the two big-time FA losses. I would expect both positions to be addressed in the draft, G/C early.
- The 49ers view Jimmy as an asset and are loathed to cut him outright. They'd rather lose FA buying power in order to maximize trade value. This line of thinking is boom/bust. They may end up getting a team to panic and send them a haul. They also could be stuck holding the bag and not using the money on a top line DE to pair with Bosa. The next deadline is obviously the draft. A top line FA signing would have more impact than a draft pick. This also insinuates that the 49ers are not going "all in" on this season, like the Chargers or Broncos or Rams etc. are doing. Keeping Jimmy into the offseason program (OTAs, TC, preseason) will create a toxic QB environment with heavy media scrutiny. Ultimately, that's an incredibly high price to pay for "competition in the QB room".
- I like the signing of Ward the more I learn about it, but there's no denying he's not a ball hawk (4 INTs in 4 years). We now have good outside CB depth with Ward, Moseley, and Thomas. But we don't have a turnover machine. We sort of had that with John Norman (FFs), but he was so awful at everything else it didn't matter. We still need something alongside Lenoir at slot. I think Moseley may rotate there, and in that case, we need another versatile CB to be both backups... paging Dontae Johnson, your annual 49er contract is waiting... I expect either/both a high draft pick SS or CB/slot.
- I don't know much of anything about Burks (LB), but it's telling that the organization prioritized signing him during the legal tampering time. They could have easily pushed ST signings into FA. I like that approach and the signal it sends that our ST was not acceptable last year.
NinerBuff's Thoughts on "What's Missing?":
- Our #1 need is a pass rusher who can consistently beat one-on-ones, and ideally a speed rusher (what we wanted Dee Ford to be). This is the only position remaining that could justify top dollar expenditure. A legit 10-sack guy on the other side of Bosa is the single most impactful move we can make in the offseason. Ebukam and Key are both good, Ebukam is making very good money and Key is a FA. Neither of them in my mind are good enough to strike fear into opposing offenses about WTF are we going to do in protection?!
- If Banks is penciled in as LG, then we need a RG, backup C (eventual Mack replacement), and swing T / utility O-linemen. I expect a cheap FA here, one of their high draft picks, and one of their later picks to be used.
- SS - unless we get Tartt back for a cheap deal (which remains a possibility), then we'll use a high draft pick for an envisioned starter here. May be the first pick me make.
- 4/5/6 WR. Specific needs: speed, good return ability. I expect one cheap FA, multiple draft picks (could be high pick if player is available, it fits Shanahan's style).
- Better competition at QB (assuming Jimmy is off the team going into offseason program), Sudfeld may be a future Shanahan coaching tree guy, but he's not good enough to win a random game in November if/when Trey gets banged up.
Post-draft reflection:
- C/G was addressed, albeit not early. I expect an open competition for all but LT (assuming Mack retires).
- Jimmy remains on the team. The question is whether he'll ever step foot in the building or is it just a waiting game until he passes a physical and gets cut. My previous comment about a toxic QB room remains if the Niners choose to keep Jimmy for any amount of practice.
- lol we did sign Dontae Johnson and added some depth at slot and outside. Ward and Moseley are presumed starters with Thomas as outside CB during nickel and dime and Moseley bumping inside.
- Love the Drake Jackson pick! Great value and heir to Dee Ford, as I mentioned above.
- They didn't spend high draft capital on CB/S/OL, but some solid developmental players. I expect the team to look at signing a SS before camp.
- Danny Gray provides great speed, something we were missing.
- QB Purdy will probably not make the 53, but could be a long-term backup.
Draft answered many, but not all the concerns. Major concerns at multiple OL positions, SS, and slot CB, unless they plan to run Moseley there. Also, backup QB (assuming Jimmy isn't on the roster week 1) is the weakest in the league.
Jimmy as trade bait can solve a lot of the remaining holes in the team, I suspect. As for Mack retiring, I'm sure his bride will have some say in that. I suspect she'll want just a bit more cash in the bank before too long and I think will persuade Mack to stick around at least one more year. I think the 49ers look good with him staying or leaving though with all the promising OLinemen they have on hand. If you look at rounds 1-4 being places where you get starters - Edge, RB, WR, and OLine were great picks (assuming they all contribute to this season as a starter or valuable backup). Personally, I think the first three picks were picked in part because of NC's injury thread. I really think they were looking at this season thinking, ok where are probably going to lose some players to injury this year that will hurt our run for Lombardi #6 and picked accordingly.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So how did we do on filling our needs with front line starters (not depth, but upgrades)?
Here were the needs coming into the off season:
Team Needs: CB, ER (Speed), IOL (C & G), RT, SS, XWR (Speed), QB2, T (Future), TE2, SWR, ST (Returner) & 2i
Addressed CB with Ward signing and some depth draft picks.
ER: fully addressed with our "first round" pick lol
IOL addressed depth but not immediate starting material (still think there could be a vet signing if Mack hangs em up).
T -Not looked at, must feel Glinch is gonna be ok,
SS not looked at, long standing rumors they really like Moore.
XWR- clearly addressed in draft
QB2- lottery pick, which is ok for this year.
TE2- not addressed - cant have everything
SWR- not addressed - Cant have everything
ST- Ray Ray/ Odum
All in all not bad, I do feel like we at the Webzone saw IOL and SS as much higher priorities than the front office, but it is really hard to argue with the individual players taken. They clearly wanted a booked of the future with Bosa and to get some carries off from Deebo more, and I cant really find a glaring flaw in that logic, I just would have made other choices that admittedly could have been worse?
. Most of the needs of the offseason were met, or at least addressed. Things I think will make a difference: deeper running back squad. We had lots of injuries at that spot. Offensive line, lots of promising talent, and you still have the Jimmy to trade for a good veteran OLinemen, or other perceived need positions. Love the edge rusher pick, and I think with Kocureck, he can be a super star on this DLine. Love the speedy WR pick, clearly ShanaLynch wants this offense going outside the hashmarks this next season. The two cornerback picks in the draft are very interesting - hopefully one or both with show some excellence. Match good CB play and good DLine play, and you have a shut down passing defense. Interesting that the UDFA's had a Linebacker spot that hopefully Demeco and company can turn into another undrafted Gem. Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Like it, other than no Tariq Castro-Fields lol, I think they keep 11 DBs, and 10 DL. But really really early
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Like it, other than no Tariq Castro-Fields lol, I think they keep 11 DBs, and 10 DL. But really really early
Yeah we'll see how things start to unfold in training camp and preseason. There's always one or two surprises.
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So how did we do on filling our needs with front line starters (not depth, but upgrades)?
Here were the needs coming into the off season:
Team Needs: CB, ER (Speed), IOL (C & G), RT, SS, XWR (Speed), QB2, T (Future), TE2, SWR, ST (Returner) & 2i
I would say SS, C and G are still major question marks until i see otherwise on the field. I like the guys they drafted for the IOL though.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
So how did we do on filling our needs with front line starters (not depth, but upgrades)?
Here were the needs coming into the off season:
Team Needs: CB, ER (Speed), IOL (C & G), RT, SS, XWR (Speed), QB2, T (Future), TE2, SWR, ST (Returner) & 2i
I would say SS, C and G are still major question marks until i see otherwise on the field. I like the guys they drafted for the IOL though.
No doubt.
Here's what we did add this off season of significance:
CB - Charvarius Ward & Tariq Castro-Fields
SCB - Darqueze Dennard & Samuel Womack
ER (Speed) - Drake Jackson, Kerry Hyder, Jordan Willis & Kemoko Turay
IOL (C & G) - Dohnovan West, Jason Poe, Nick Zakelj & Spencer Burford
RT (Future) - Spencer Burford
SS - George Odum & Leon O'Neal
XWR (Speed) - Danny Gray
QB2 - Brock Purdy
TE2 - Tanner Hudson & Garrett Walston
SWR - Ray-Ray McCloud
ST (Returner) - Ray-Ray McCloud
2i - Hassan Ridgeway
Originally posted by AB81Rules:Really hope Castro-Fields can push Dontae Johnson to either the practice squad or off the team permanently.
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
I'll throw an initial 53 out. I don't think their done adding players though. I got a feeling they'll add a vet safety later this summer for one. Subject to change...
QB (2)
Trey Lance
Nate Sudfield
Rb (5)
Elijah Mitchell
Jeff Wilson
Trey Sermon
Tyrion Davis-Price
Kyle Juszczyk
Wr (6)
Brandon Aiyuk
Deebo Samuel
Jauan Jennings
Ray Ray McCloud
Danny Gray
Malik Turner
TE (3)
George Kittle
Charlie Woerner
Ross Dwelley
OL (8)
Trent Williams
Aaron Banks
Alex Mack
Daniel Brunskill
Mike McGlinchey
Jaylon Moore
Spencer Burford
Colton McKivitz
DL (11)
Nick Bosa
Javon Kinlaw
Kevin Givens
Arik Armstead
Samson Ebukam
Kerry Hyder Jr.
Maurice Hurst
Charles Omenihu
Hassan Ridgeway
Drake Jackson
Kemoko Turay
Lb (5)
Fred Warner
Dre Greenlaw
Azeez Al-Shaair
Demetrius Flannigan-Fowles
Oren Burks
CB (6)
Charvarius Ward
Ambry Thomas
Deommodore Lenoir
Emmanuel Moseley
Dontae Johnson
Samuel Womack
Safety (4)
Jimmie Ward
Tarvarius Moore
Talanoa Hufanga
George Odum
ST (3)
Robbie Gould
Taybor Pepper
Mitch Wishnowsky
This is contingent on Mack coming back. If so I got a feeling they try to stash Brendel on the practice squad starting out and Brunskill becomes the game day center back up. They typically start out with 8 olineman on their initial 53 which is why the team favors versatile lineman.
Like it, other than no Tariq Castro-Fields lol, I think they keep 11 DBs, and 10 DL. But really really early
Originally posted by AB81Rules:I see 2022 OL as worrisome .. I feel they can do a decent job even without Mack. But 2023 i think our OL will become the strength with all the guys we just picked up
Oh, and my major worries are C(if Mack retires), RG(I like Banks at LG), & SS(Huf & Odom are fine, just worried, might bring back Tartt, or hope Hufanga is ready, we'll see)
Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Really hope Castro-Fields can push Dontae Johnson to either the practice squad or off the team permanently.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
If we're talking about NT, shouldn't Kalia Davis be listed as one, or the 2i? He's big enough, Lynch said he saw some of DJ in him, just my 2 cents lol.
Happy with what we've done, no not perfect, wish we added a IOL, if Mack retires, hoping Tretter is the guy we sign, hope West & O'Neal surprise, same with Gemmel.
