Niners sign CB Charvarius "Mooney" Ward

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's proven to be that on NE which seems to happen to a lot of players in NE then when they leave that ain't that. Scheme, system, and players around you matter. Yes I watch him I live in the NE football market. Why didn't they pay for him? They had the cash and a QB on a rookie contract all the same.

Yes jackson gets TOs hence why he was paid a lot…also INTs are not some static thing yr to yr for a DB. It's a horrible tool to evaluate a CB long term. One stat I like with Ward is he only allowed a 38% completion rate when targeted in man coverage in 2021…that will help everyone on defense and allow Ryans to get more creative.

you do NOT need a super star DB in todays league…teams have multiple WRs that kick ass and play a ton of 11 personnel. You need a bunch of good DBs and I'll spend money on two good DBs vs one really good one. The days of "lock down" DBs is done.

Turnovers is absolutely a great term to evaluate a corner especially when they're young and improving so your definition of long-term doesn't even apply to what was spoken about JC Jackson. By the way turnovers are the single most determining factor in football for winning.

Gilmore went to the Panthers and he got two interceptions in his first three games and was great in coverage. Sometimes if you watch the film and they are great in man coverage that isn't scheme that's the player.

I think you devalue the corner position so bad that it clouds your judgment. There are such things as lock down corners that get beat once in a blue moon the same way there can be an unstoppable edge rusher like Myles Garrett or TJ Watt even if they get beat on a few reps here and there. The best lineman on both sides of the ball get beat so that would be as Ignorant as saying there's no such thing as a shut down or unstoppable O or D Lineman. Aaron Donald is quiet some games but you don't hear people spouting cliches about there being no unstoppable lineman anymore when there are.

Superstar corners absolutely help teams win games and shut down elite receivers on the regular so sorry I can't help you there but that's common sense. A huge reason we lost both of our Super Bowls is because of our corner play so it's hilarious to even suggest we don't need a great corner instead of a couple of solid ones. We would have 7 SBs.

Anyways..... I'll just leave it at I'm glad we got this corner even though I would've much rather had Jackson and pretty much anyone that watches film would agree he's great in his own right. Phenomenal

Originally posted by elguapo:
Turnovers is absolutely a great term to evaluate a corner especially when they're young and improving so your definition of long-term doesn't even apply to what was spoken about JC Jackson. By the way turnovers are the single most determining factor in football for winning.

Gilmore went to the Panthers and he got two interceptions in his first three games and was great in coverage. Sometimes if you watch the film and they are great in man coverage that isn't scheme that's the player.

I think you devalue the corner position so bad that it clouds your judgment severely. There are such things as lock down corners that get beat once in a blue moon the same way there can be an unstoppable edge rusher like Myles Garrett or TJ Watt even if they get beat on a few reps here and there. So the best lineman on both sides of the ball get beat so that would be as Ignorant as saying there's no such thing as a shut down or unstoppable O or D Lineman. Aaron Donald is quiet some games but you don't hear people spouting cliches about there being no unstoppable lineman.

Superstar corners absolutely help teams win games and shut down elite receivers on the regular so sorry I can't help you there but that's common sense. A huge reason we lost both of our Super Bowls is because of our corner play so it's hilarious to even suggest we don't need a great corner instead of a couple of solid ones. We would have 7 SBs.

Anyways.....This is getting boring. I'll just leave it at I'm glad we got this corner even though I would've much rather had Jackson and pretty much anyone that watches film would agree he's great in his own right. Phenomenal

b******t that it's a great evaluator that's crap dude…you watch every TO and see if it was because of coverage? Was there pressure on the QB? Was it a bad route? Was it a bad throw? Tipped ball? Great defensive play call? There's SO much that goes into a INT that isn't because of coverage ability WHiCH above all what matters most. Half of Jackson's INTs came off Darnold and Wilson

jalen Ramsey has 15 TOTAL INTs in 7 yrs. Multiple yrs with ONE INT, I guess you'd hate to have him. AJ Terrell was a freaking stud this yr…guess how many INTs he had? 3.

show me someone that's constantly tops in INTs? It's the least static stat there is…

no one says you wouldn't rather have Jackson in a vacuum one for one for Ward. That is NOT reality. This isn't Madden.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
b******t that it's a great evaluator that's crap dude…you watch every TO and see if it was because of coverage? Was there pressure on the QB? Was it a bad route? Was it a bad throw? Tipped ball? Great defensive play call? There's SO much that goes into a INT that isn't because of coverage ability WHiCH above all what matters most.

jalen Ramsey has 15 TOTAL INTs in 7 yrs. Multiple yrs with ONE INT, I guess you'd hate to have him. AJ Terrell was a freaking stud this yr…guess how many INTs he had? 3.

show me someone that's constantly tops in INTs? It's the least static stat there is…

no one says you wouldn't rather have Jackson in a vacuum one for one for Ward. That is NOT reality. This isn't Madden.

If the QB is throwing it your way it's for a reason. Hint it's your coverage

Originally posted by NYniner85:
b******t that it's a great evaluator that's crap dude…you watch every TO and see if it was because of coverage? Was there pressure on the QB? Was it a bad route? Was it a bad throw? Tipped ball? Great defensive play call? There's SO much that goes into a INT that isn't because of coverage ability WHiCH above all what matters most.

jalen Ramsey has 15 TOTAL INTs in 7 yrs. Multiple yrs with ONE INT, I guess you'd hate to have him. AJ Terrell was a freaking stud this yr…guess how many INTs he had? 3.

show me someone that's constantly tops in INTs? It's the least static stat there is…

no one says you wouldn't rather have Jackson in a vacuum one for one for Ward. That is NOT reality. This isn't Madden.

Dude here you go again, so sensitive about everything that you disagree with and start going off. Some players are just playmakers and get turnovers so you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've also stated that Ramsey is the top corner in the league and that's without many turnovers, a lot of the reason is because teams don't throw at him so again use some context, being a great corner is being a great corner. There is a huge difference between the play of all pro corners and that's what I wanted. To try to make an argument like it's not that big of a deal because these days there's no shut down corners? That's a joke and absolutely not true.

I told you before stop putting words in my mouth, it's shows you already lost the argument . Saying "I would hate to have Ramsey". Get off it man.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If the QB is throwing it your way it's for a reason. Hint it's your coverage

Yup…there's so much nuance involved with INTs it's one of the worst stats to proclaim a DB is great or not. I think he's a damn good DB. I'm sure being on that D in LA will be amazing for him. I'm also cool with Ward and still having cash to get more help.

Don't know much about him, but CB was our biggest need.

Originally posted by Koldo:
The guy may have some upside but this FO has overpaid again for a middle-of-the-pack FA (like they did with Jet McKinnon, Malcom Smith or Kwon Alexander).

Lol @ you for comparing this signing to Jet and Malcolm Smith

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Call me crazy but I like Ward for his contract over JC Jackson for his contract. Both undrafted players from 2018 class.

Yep!

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Don't know much about him, but CB was our biggest need.

This! Now I expect 5 oline drafted 😂

Hopefully we get a pass rusher or a guard today. I have a feeling we may address a pass rusher in the draft which is very deep at that position

I'm not sure how people are upset about this... my wife is a lifelong Chiefs fan and I watch him play like 12x a year. The guy can flat out play, he can tackle. He is better than Moseley and fits our defense. Do y'all really want Johnson or Lenoir starting? He easily takes over as CB 1... Thomas or Moseley will move inside. Sign Verrett to a low contract

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I'm not sure how people are upset about this... my wife is a lifelong Chiefs fan and I watch him play like 12x a year. The guy can flat out play, he can tackle. He is better than Moseley and fits our defense. Do y'all really want Johnson or Lenoir starting? He easily takes over as CB 1... Thomas or Moseley will move inside. Sign Verrett to a low contract

Exactly. Sign Verrett and we turned a weakness into a strength. Thomas is good as a 3rd bc he has potential to be very good but I'm glad we didn't risk that.

IMO he was one of the top 5 CBs on the market.

JC Jackson - We were never getting him
Carlton Davis - Same as Jackson, he wanted to stay in Tampa
Stephon Gilmore - idk what happened with him, I think he's still unsigned
Charvarius Ward - Love the signing, young, and up and coming, just wish it was a 5yr deal
Darious Williams - This would have been funny to take him from the Rams

Those were my top 5, then guys like Casey Hayward Jr., D.J. Reed Jr., Steven Nelson after those

Sweet. Now we have 3 average outside CB's who fold in big games and no slot CB.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
I'm not sure how people are upset about this... my wife is a lifelong Chiefs fan and I watch him play like 12x a year. The guy can flat out play, he can tackle. He is better than Moseley and fits our defense. Do y'all really want Johnson or Lenoir starting? He easily takes over as CB 1... Thomas or Moseley will move inside. Sign Verrett to a low contract

Exactly. Sign Verrett and we turned a weakness into a strength. Thomas is good as a 3rd bc he has potential to be very good but I'm glad we didn't risk that.

I can't believe we have no 49ers on the 2022 schedule.