Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Yea I listened to Crocky's podcast this morning. He considers Ward to be in the 2nd echelon of CBS. Although he felt we upgraded the position, he didn't think Ward was a game changer. That's why he couldn't justify the money we paid him. A guy that will likely still have trouble covering guys like Cooper and DHop and DJ.
I agree with his assessment but then again I wasn't for us going all out on signing an overhyped CB only to see him crumble. More likely that Gilmore and CJ end up looking like Nate Clements (remember that signing) than Deion Sanders…
Exactly, And the point he was making is that it's not only ward who wouldn't justify the money but no second echelon of CBs would justify that money because aside from the elite of the elite, and even them to an extent, CBs simply get burnt. So what is the alternative being suggested? Don't upgrade the position at all? Play moneyball and just sign a cheaper fill-in at the position? Go into next year with Josh Norman again? And I still don't get how we're complaining about money without seeing the actual structure of the contract. The guaranteed money reportedly comes out to roughly 9 million average per year
Totally. As to Jackson and Gilmore, he was referencing that skill set in its prime.
Ward is a massive upgrade from Norman though so as a whole, we're already a better unit esp. if there is another injury.
I'm happy with the signing for that reason alone. I'm looking forward to seeing him in our system esp. if we add another ER!
Also of note, Crocker has noted that our secondary with Moseley, Thomas and Williams was pretty underrated overall and not the issue people made it out to be. So that's another reason he feels Ward won't move the needle much.
Ratings don't matter. All that matters is, that secondary had no shot at stoping the rams when the pass rush didn't get 5 sacks and DJ Jones wasn't shutting down the run. Crock might be right, we still might not be able to stop them even with Ward, but I like our chances a lot better.
BTW, how much needle moving was Reed doing against Kupp?
LOL. You guys should be asking Crocker these questions. He's the SME. I just happened to have said the exact same thing when I put my bucket of targets together (of which Ward was one of my targets) prior to FA.
His point is we were 6th in pass defense WITH Josh Norman and Ambry Thomas and Emmanuel Moseley, as always, in and out of the lineup. He and Peacock just compared him to another UDFA done good...Emmanuel Moseley (I made the same comp). He doesn't move the needle because while he's good in coverage, he doesn't generate turnovers, which is the #1 issue in our secondary...one that set historic lows just a few years ago and was poor last year too.
So you just gonna parrot what he said, like it is what you believe and when someone pushes back on it you shrink back into don't kill the messenger mode?
Like I said, 6th ranked defense doesn't matter? We needed 5th or better to make it to the SB and we needed 5th or better to win it.
If we don't do anything to improve the weakest unit on the team, then we stay the same or probably get worse. What Crocker didn't say that you did was that, you believe the team would be better off with Reed for $33M than Ward for $40.
You are gonna have to do a better job defending that stance that the previous arguments you brought up, which were:
1. That he can play nickel as well, which Crocker said himself, that he doesn't need to because Moseley is probably a better nickel defender than he is.
2. He can return punts, which is not something you want your highest paid Corner doing.
3. That Ward is the same as Moseley. Does that mean you think Reed is better than Moseley? I for one think Ward is better than Moseley and Reed is worse. If you disagree then explain in what ways is Reed better? I for one would rather pay $40M for a #1 CB than 33M for a #2.
No, I actually said it first. Later saw his breakdown and listened to his podcast. LOL. And since he knows far more about the position than this armchair GM, that's why I said you should be asking him these questions.
As to the rest of your post, I have no idea what you're even trying to debate here. I already laid out exactly why I had Reed above him in my own bucket numerous times...but I also had Ward in that bucket too. It's not like I hated Ward. I just thought Reed was more valuable.
Now, YOU make the personal case for Ward. Did him have him above Reed and others prior to FA? Let's see it!
If not, you might be just towing that company line like so many others do (just because that's what the FO ended up doing). Not much thought there. I prefer those fans willing to put themselves out there BEFORE moves are made. Anybody can play your game.
Ok, since you post here every day and throw out "bucket" predictions, "prior" to FA then you must be more right than I am, and don't have to provide any examples of why you made your rankings the way you did, because you got it in 1st.
But if Reed's 10 put returns for 78 yards in his career as a 1 year starter, makes him more valuable to you and your bucket , then a 3 year starter, then more power to you.
It's not about being right for me. I was just telling you all what "I" had ranked higher and why. Every year I make off season plans (arm chair GM) like others do...like mock drafts. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes I'm wrong in the end. Other times my off season plans line up perfectly with what the FO does (2019). 2022 seems to be mirroring very closely too.
It's just a fun hobby to do. No need to go agro over it esp. when it's over a player I also had in my small bucket of targets. LOL
Reed was a top college returner. Hightower never used him in that fashion. Perhaps Schneider would now. Either way, it's a legit option and that's a valuable asset esp. if injuries happen (see Cannon last year).
But I can be more rainbows and unicorns if you'd like around our signings.
Horrible.