Niners sign CB Charvarius "Mooney" Ward

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by genus49:
Looks like those guys need to learn the difference between resign and re-sign.

Hopefully Ward is a monster for us. Saw an article where they ranked CB duos and put them into tiers...ours was listed as Tier 5 aka "lacks star power. Each of the teams within this grouping have two CB2s who can compete and play like a CB1 on their best days, but often regress back to their high-end CB2 mold. The New York Jets with rookie Sauce Gardner have the highest potential to immediately ascend from this tier."

"I think Green Bay is the best overall with Jaire Alexander and Eric Stokes only going into his second season and (Rasul) Douglas looked like a different player being coached by Jerry Gray." – Former Pro Bowl DB Samari Rollehttps://t.co/C8R4hkLxfG

— The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) June 28, 2022

I expect our guys to step up and make names for themselves.

I would have put the 49ers in tier 6. CWard seems to be a solid/good CB2. I think Moseley is average and Ambry Thomas is still a question mark - good potential, but far from proven. So I'm encouraged that article put the 49ers duo in tier 5. Verrett is a total question mark due to not knowing how well he has recovered. If we get 2020 Verrett, then I would put a duo of CWard/Verrett in tier 2 because 2020 Verrett was a star.

If you look at the guys they have in the same tier it's not right IMO. Hell if you look at the tier above you can argue our guys should be there or better even.

I think Ward is just coming into his own and coming into a defense with a terrific front 7 to help him look even better. Moseley isn't a big name but he played very well last season. Just because they're not big name guys doesn't mean they're not talented.

I mean they have the Lions in tier 4 with Amani Oruwariye and Jeff Okudah...what have those guys proven? Okudah looked like a major disappointment as a rookie and then f'ed up his achilles year 2. Not a great start.

I realize i'm likely being somewhat of a homer but seeing stuff like that just annoys me.

I don't know enough about other duos to comment. I'm only reading the definitions in the article about tier 5/6 and feel like CWard + Moseley/Ambry is more like a tier 6 since this definition of tier 5, "Each of the teams within this grouping have two CB2s who can compete and play like a CB1 on their best days", means tier 5 is being a bit generous because I don't know if Moseley/Thomas can play like a CB1 on their best days. Thomas may have the potential to, and perhaps I am underestimating Moseley. But the definition of tier 6 comfortably describes Ward/Moseley imo. I can go with tier 5.5 for that duo. I'm splitting hairs here.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by genus49:
Looks like those guys need to learn the difference between resign and re-sign.

Hopefully Ward is a monster for us. Saw an article where they ranked CB duos and put them into tiers...ours was listed as Tier 5 aka "lacks star power. Each of the teams within this grouping have two CB2s who can compete and play like a CB1 on their best days, but often regress back to their high-end CB2 mold. The New York Jets with rookie Sauce Gardner have the highest potential to immediately ascend from this tier."

"I think Green Bay is the best overall with Jaire Alexander and Eric Stokes only going into his second season and (Rasul) Douglas looked like a different player being coached by Jerry Gray." – Former Pro Bowl DB Samari Rollehttps://t.co/C8R4hkLxfG

— The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) June 28, 2022

I expect our guys to step up and make names for themselves.

I would have put the 49ers in tier 6. CWard seems to be a solid/good CB2. I think Moseley is average and Ambry Thomas is still a question mark - good potential, but far from proven. So I'm encouraged that article put the 49ers duo in tier 5. Verrett is a total question mark due to not knowing how well he has recovered. If we get 2020 Verrett, then I would put a duo of CWard/Verrett in tier 2 because 2020 Verrett was a star.

If you look at the guys they have in the same tier it's not right IMO. Hell if you look at the tier above you can argue our guys should be there or better even.

I think Ward is just coming into his own and coming into a defense with a terrific front 7 to help him look even better. Moseley isn't a big name but he played very well last season. Just because they're not big name guys doesn't mean they're not talented.

I mean they have the Lions in tier 4 with Amani Oruwariye and Jeff Okudah...what have those guys proven? Okudah looked like a major disappointment as a rookie and then f'ed up his achilles year 2. Not a great start.

I realize i'm likely being somewhat of a homer but seeing stuff like that just annoys me.

I don't know enough about other duos to comment. I'm only reading the definitions in the article about tier 5/6 and feel like CWard + Moseley/Ambry is more like a tier 6 since this definition of tier 5, "Each of the teams within this grouping have two CB2s who can compete and play like a CB1 on their best days", means tier 5 is being a bit generous because I don't know if Moseley/Thomas can play like a CB1 on their best days. Thomas may have the potential to, and perhaps I am underestimating Moseley. But the definition of tier 6 comfortably describes Ward/Moseley imo. I can go with tier 5.5 for that duo. I'm splitting hairs here.

Yea I initially agree thought Tier 5 but tier 6 is more accuarate. On his best day Eman is a CB2.

Last year we went into the season with Verrett as our CB1 with the thought that if he got hurt we were screwed. This season were going into training camp with him possibly as our CB4 with the upside to be our CB2. I love our depth at CB this year. The best it's been in the KS era.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Last year we went into the season with Verrett as our CB1 with the thought that if he got hurt we were screwed. This season were going into training camp with him possibly as our CB4 with the upside to be our CB2. I love our depth at CB this year. The best it's been in the KS era.

Yessir. POTD.

Hys hatred for Alabama DBs is hilarious. ;)

Originally posted by FL9er:
Hys hatred for Alabama DBs is hilarious. ;)

Not a hatred just not falling for the general overrating they constantly get.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Last year we went into the season with Verrett as our CB1 with the thought that if he got hurt we were screwed. This season were going into training camp with him possibly as our CB4 with the upside to be our CB2. I love our depth at CB this year. The best it's been in the KS era.

If Verretts healthy he's CB1

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Hys hatred for Alabama DBs is hilarious. ;)

Not a hatred just not falling for the general overrating they constantly get.

I like Humphrey, and Minkah is a good safety. Everybody else has been trash

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Hys hatred for Alabama DBs is hilarious. ;)

Not a hatred just not falling for the general overrating they constantly get.

I like Humphrey, and Minkah is a good safety. Everybody else has been trash

I'll respectfully disagree on Minkah and he's a Safety Bama is a factory for Safeties. Trevon Diggs is good for still learning the position he will get better. Surtain is gonna be good. So they are starting to pump out good CBs but there's a long list of failures coming from the tide.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we get a healthy Verrett we are bringing the Lombardi home.

I've said this before - if we had a healthy Verrett last season, we'd be talking about #Questfor7 right now. No, he doesn't make the 49er offense score more, but he would have made the 2021 defense dominant. Anyway, if Verrett is ready to rock in 2022, CWard/Verrett is a damn good duo with Ambry continuing to develop and Moseley being a quality backup.

All of this. Verrett would of won us at least 4 more regular season games by locking down a wr or a side of the field and the SB. Easily. We whipped the Rams twice and Bengals as well without him

Originally posted by genus49:
If you look at the guys they have in the same tier it's not right IMO. Hell if you look at the tier above you can argue our guys should be there or better even.

I think Ward is just coming into his own and coming into a defense with a terrific front 7 to help him look even better. Moseley isn't a big name but he played very well last season. Just because they're not big name guys doesn't mean they're not talented.

I mean they have the Lions in tier 4 with Amani Oruwariye and Jeff Okudah...what have those guys proven? Okudah looked like a major disappointment as a rookie and then f'ed up his achilles year 2. Not a great start.

I realize i'm likely being somewhat of a homer but seeing stuff like that just annoys me.

You are not being a homer. I thought with 3 cbs in the top 40 we would easily be tier 2-3 at worst. I think Miami Philly and Baltimore are the top 3

Originally posted by YACBros85:

If any of our secondary could generate a TO, they'd all cost x2 as much.

Originally posted by NCommand:
If any of our secondary could generate a TO, they'd all cost x2 as much.

Jimmie had 3 INTs last year

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If any of our secondary could generate a TO, they'd all cost x2 as much.

Jimmie had 3 INTs last year

Garoppolo? LOL