Should John Lynch be replaced as GM?

Originally posted by KeepRabbitsOut:

NFCC = a slight upgrade from a Participation Medal
Anything not named Super Bowl is a bust.

It is a high bar for the York era 49ers.

Personally, I'm fine with the body of work of Lynch and Shanahan. Two NFCCG appearances in 3 years after rebuilding the roster, we've locked up stars for the long-term (Kittle, Warner, Williams) and are looking to extend Deebo and Bosa. This is a strong roster, and they made a move to install a potentially elite QB for the next 10 years. Obviously, there's risk that he can bust, but they swung for the fences. Because IF Trey becomes a top 10 QB in the next few years, with this roster and Shanahan calling plays... that's a scary prospect for the NFL, and that's why we made the move.

At the end of the day, I think fans are going to be unhappy that when we have the roster we have, we don't go all-in on a championship window. I think that's a valid concern. With this roster, we could've won a Super Bowl this year if we upped our trade compensation for Stafford, or two years ago, decisively cut ties with Jimmy and signed Brady. They made decisions to pass on those options. And I feel the frustration with it... but, ultimately, the move we DID decide to go in on was to get Trey. To get a QB of the Future for the next 10 years.

I'm hopeful, but we just gotta wait and see how the move pans out.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It is a high bar for the York era 49ers.

Very True.
I will give them positive vibes for trying very hard. Too bad the Lombardi doesn't care like I do.

Originally posted by kray28:
I'm on the fence here. I think some of his moves have been questionable. I think whether Trey pans out or not will play a big role in whether he sticks around.

I'm Sorta on the fence too. While not necessarily on the should be fired fence. I am on the seat should be getting kind of warm fence.

Drafting his class mate when it wasn't even a position of need with the #3 overall pick.

We always waste picks unnecessarily to move up in the draft.

Wasted a couple nice picks to draft a FS to play CB. Then next pick draft a CB to play FS. WTF!!!

Traded 3 1st round picks a month in advance without knowing what the hell they were wanting to do.

The handling of this JG situation.

His drafts as a whole are meh!

In the grand scheme of things, if we had waited 5 months to sign Kirk Cousins instead of trading for JG I believe we have at least 1 SB.

He's doing OK I think. A little underrated on here. Avoids high priced overrated FA'S. That's a good thing. His drafts have some hits in them.

Originally posted by krizay:
I'm Sorta on the fence too. While not necessarily on the should be fired fence. I am on the seat should be getting kind of warm fence.

Drafting his class mate when it wasn't even a position of need with the #3 overall pick.

We always waste picks unnecessarily to move up in the draft.

Wasted a couple nice picks to draft a FS to play CB. Then next pick draft a CB to play FS. WTF!!!

Traded 3 1st round picks a month in advance without knowing what the hell they were wanting to do.

The handling of this JG situation.

His drafts as a whole are meh!

In the grand scheme of things, if we had waited 5 months to sign Kirk Cousins instead of trading for JG I believe we have at least 1 SB.

He's acting on behalf of Kyle.

fire a GM for not winning the offseason

you dont find it odd that teams that "win the offseason" and make splashy signings typically end up picking higher in the draft?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
First of all, credit to Dopeman for this thread.

Second of all, I think John Lynch should be retained even after this less than optimal off-season so far. I think Lynch and Kyle have a good working relationship that helped accomplish an unbelievably rebuild to a franchise that was a laughing stock at one point around the league after the whole Harbaugh fiasco.

We we might be able to do better with him gone but I also believe we can do worse and I would rather not find out which is true.

What do you say?

I say why would we even consider this question. Since lynch has been here we've been to a super bowl and an nfc championship. We've also had 2 down years due to injury. However, when healthy we have been one of the leagues best. So clearly lynch is bringing in talent.

So to question his belonging based on a slow off-season doesn't make any sense. You should evaluate him based on his teams records on the field. Not how exciting the off-season is for the fans. That's what I say.

No. Lock this thread. Non sense at this point.

These fire the coach or fire the GM threads are always knee jerk reactions based on 2nd guessing. it's easy to say a draft pick or FA was bad after the fact but the GM and coach don't have that luxury. Every fan base for every team has it's share of people that want the front office changed if they don't win the SB.

The problem is, who do you replace them with? There's no guaranty that anyone else could come in and be more successful. You could bring in a bright young assistant but you don't really know how he'll perform when he gets control. Some assistants are better #2 guys than leaders. Even if you bring in a coach or GM that was successful with another team, there's no way of knowing if he'll be able to repeat that success. Different draft picks who may ot perform as expected. Free agents who get injured or don't pan out.

The one certainty in the NFL and most sports is that nothing is certain. Every draft pick and every free agent has the potential to be great but also can easily be a bust.

Originally posted by krizay:
Drafting his class mate when it wasn't even a position of need with the #3 overall pick.

While Thomas didn't work out for a variety of reasons, it was a position of need. They had just inherited a team that had the worst run defense in team history, to an appalling level. It was a key factor in that 2017 offseason to seek improvement for the run defense, and Thomas was a part of the strategy to improve it.

Also, LOL at "not having a plan" when making the pre-draft trade last year. Their plan was to draft a QB. They said that, and they did that. WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's doing OK I think. A little underrated on here. Avoids high priced overrated FA'S. That's a good thing. His drafts have some hits in them.

No need to fire but if Jed 'really' wants that #6, he'll have to see John Lynch is the Jimmy Garoppolo of GM's...leader, very efficient, competitive, responsible, loved in-house, has moments that make you believe and be hopeful, make you want to defend him, etc. but in the end, just doesn't quite have "it" to get you over the hump and is overvalued here. But in the end, the GM is moot here.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's doing OK I think. A little underrated on here. Avoids high priced overrated FA'S. That's a good thing. His drafts have some hits in them.

No need to fire but if Jed 'really' wants that #6, he'll have to see John Lynch is the Jimmy Garoppolo of GM's...leader, very efficient, competitive, responsible, loved in-house, has moments that make you believe and be hopeful, make you want to defend him, etc. but in the end, just doesn't quite have "it" to get you over the hump and is overvalued here. But in the end, the GM is moot here.

I honestly think you can win with Lynch. He just needs the right year and the right team. The Yorks at ownership are more problematic.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's doing OK I think. A little underrated on here. Avoids high priced overrated FA'S. That's a good thing. His drafts have some hits in them.

No need to fire but if Jed 'really' wants that #6, he'll have to see John Lynch is the Jimmy Garoppolo of GM's...leader, very efficient, competitive, responsible, loved in-house, has moments that make you believe and be hopeful, make you want to defend him, etc. but in the end, just doesn't quite have "it" to get you over the hump and is overvalued here. But in the end, the GM is moot here.

I honestly think you can win with Lynch. He just needs the right year and the right team. The Yorks at ownership are more problematic.

It's hard to tease it all out, huh?

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by krizay:
Drafting his class mate when it wasn't even a position of need with the #3 overall pick.

While Thomas didn't work out for a variety of reasons, it was a position of need. They had just inherited a team that had the worst run defense in team history, to an appalling level. It was a key factor in that 2017 offseason to seek improvement for the run defense, and Thomas was a part of the strategy to improve it.

Also, LOL at "not having a plan" when making the pre-draft trade last year. Their plan was to draft a QB. They said that, and they did that. WTF are you talking about?

I wasn't a fan of Thomas at #3 because I didn't think he would be a great edge rusher, I did however think he would be dominant at DT. Just never materialized.

Lynch has been a key part of making us a competitive club and gets so much hate. Even as a teen, I realized we couldn't always be super bowl favorites, but just hoped to have a competitive team that had at least a punches chance every Sunday. That takes time to build, and we are there.

Maybe you all prefer the Chip Kelly days? Or Singletary? Or Nolan? Or Erikson? Harbaugh inherited a deep, talented team which was horribly coached. Shanahan and Lynch did not. This team is the direct result of all their efforts. I for one am grateful.