Should John Lynch be replaced as GM?

Might as well call this topic "Should Kyle Shanahan be replaced?". Never changes Webzone.^^

bring in Joe Buck, what disgusting act John Lynch did with this ordeal.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Lynch was dealt a bad hand with Jimmy's shoulder injury and the insane amount of QB movement this off-season, so I can't blame him for not being able to get anything for a player that has no value.

The real mistake was trading for Jimmy in 2017. I can't believe we fell for believing that the Patriots were somehow doing us a favor by giving us Jimmy for a 2nd. They probably shopped him to the other 30 teams and had no takers before they scammed us.

Totally disagree with your 2nd paragraph. As much as I'm ready to move on from Jimmy he's far outlived his value as being gotten for a 2nd rounder. He hasn't been the same since he tore up his knee in KC, that's hardly Lynch's fault.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Lynch was dealt a bad hand with Jimmy's shoulder injury and the insane amount of QB movement this off-season, so I can't blame him for not being able to get anything for a player that has no value.

The real mistake was trading for Jimmy in 2017. I can't believe we fell for believing that the Patriots were somehow doing us a favor by giving us Jimmy for a 2nd. They probably shopped him to the other 30 teams and had no takers before they scammed us.

Totally disagree with your 2nd paragraph. As much as I'm ready to move on from Jimmy he's far outlived his value as being gotten for a 2nd rounder. He hasn't been the same since he tore up his knee in KC, that's hardly Lynch's fault.

Its hilarious how some posters talk about Jimmy. I'm ready to move on the Lance but lol at it being a mistake. He flipped the switch on our franchise from losing to winning, more than once if you count coming back from injury. The 5 game win streak Jimmy's first year here was when niners football finally got exciting again.

McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

I voted yes because I feel like this was the first off season for them to use Trey's contract to their advantage. They didn't.

What's the point of having a rookie QB contract if you don't use it.

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Originally posted by illinois9er:
Totally disagree with your 2nd paragraph. As much as I'm ready to move on from Jimmy he's far outlived his value as being gotten for a 2nd rounder. He hasn't been the same since he tore up his knee in KC, that's hardly Lynch's fault.

The injury didn't change him. He was not playing well at the start of 2018.

Why?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Lynch was dealt a bad hand with Jimmy's shoulder injury and the insane amount of QB movement this off-season, so I can't blame him for not being able to get anything for a player that has no value.

The real mistake was trading for Jimmy in 2017. I can't believe we fell for believing that the Patriots were somehow doing us a favor by giving us Jimmy for a 2nd. They probably shopped him to the other 30 teams and had no takers before they scammed us.

I don't know if you quite understand how the league works but QBs get rehashed all the time in hopes they can be resurrected bc there simply aren't enough elite QBs walking this planet. Thank about that.

Look at whats happening in the NFL today. Wentz, Mariota, Winston, Trubisky, Darnold, Jones, etc are all getting 2nd and 3rd chances after their original team gave up on them. If a QB shows the slightest hint of ability he will be given the keys to a franchise. Heck we literally have a QB with 22 unresolved civil allegations against him who just signed the largest contract in the history of the NFL.

Trading for Jimmy in 2017 was the right choice at the time. Get out of here with your hindsight nonsense. Yeah Jimmy wasn't the elite QB we hoped for but he was/is a decent QB who a team can get by with until they find a better QB which only about 15 or so exist at any given time.

Originally posted by NCommand:
McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

Originally posted by NCommand:
McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

^ This guy gets it.

It's easy to see the pattern throughout regimes and the constant through that pattern: Paraag.

Still drafting injured, high upside players based on analytics that are so far advanced that they're out of touch with reality.

Still signing guys like Verrett etc. and bargain bin shopping.

For all the analytics that guide these moves, I wanna see the output report that shows how often they are missing on these swings. By my calculations, they're missing FAR MORE than hitting.

Lynch is great as a face and voice of the franchise. And that's all he is from what I gather. A public figurehead to restore the 49ers' public image after it was dragged through the mud by Jed and our embarrassing HC carousel. I love him in that role.

Peters, as noted, is likely the chief talent guy and scout. I love him in that role. He should get the GM title before he gets a gig elsewhere.

And then there's Shanny. This is where it gets more complicated. He's really the one who's calling the shots and signing off on the personnel matters. Or at the very least, is making a stink and pushing back hard if it's something he doesn't agree with. ANd I have a feeling he then gets petty about decisions he was against and makes it a point to show to the team why their decision was a poor one. He's a great schemer, but his petulant behavior and ego likely get in the way of pushing this team forward.

TL, DR:

Paraag balances the books which drives transactions financially (which is all the Yorks care about)
Lynch is a face.
Peters is the true talent scout.
Shanahan is the final run-by and makes a stink if he's overruled.

i dont think he's entirely to blame for the Jimmy G situation. i just dont want to hear " we did our due diligence" every time we miss out on a key free agent anymore.
But i like what he's done for the mostpart

Originally posted by NCommand:
McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

I dunno. I actually think Paraag has saved us on some of these deals. The Kapernick deal with successive single season renewals, even. Jimmys to some extent helped us. With the new age of CAP we need someone great with contracts and numbers, and I don't think Lynch is it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

I think what we are actually seeing is a combination of 3-4 people with major input into how this org is run. I dont think its fair to blame just one.

Parag controls the books. He's not going to let Lynch and Shanny ruin this franchise down the road by over paying any particular player they may want. He probably tells them they got this specific $$ to spend in free agency and holds Lynch to it. He's looking out for the warfare of the team down the road.

Lynch runs the day to day operations. He needs to appease Kyle and probably has final say on personnel. He has to make what Kyle wants, work with what Parag says he can spend.

Peters honestly none of us know but i think Lynch leans on him in the personnel aspect. I dont think he has final say.

Kyle is the #2 guy behind York but delegates all of the above tasks so he can concentrate on coaching duties

York stays out the way and writes checks. Prays the structure above gets the job done which for the most part has.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Might as well call this topic "Should Kyle Shanahan be replaced?". Never changes Webzone.^^

Should the WZ be replaced!?