Should John Lynch be replaced as GM?

He means well, but he has no real power in the org. It doesn't matter if he is fired.

There's a reason that stronger GM candidates turned down this job in 2017. They didn't like the structure here. Paraag controls the cap? Can't go all in and sign big money deals? I'm sure they just walked out of the interview after that.

Credit to them, they built a good team around here after 5 years. But in my opinion, they will never go over the top and win a SB. That's just my assessment and I think Jed is fine with that. And so are most fans. Because to them, its better than being in the gutter. You can't go one second giving any real criticism about the FO without someone screaming at you about muh Chip Kelly, muh Tomsula. Well alrighty then

Originally posted by NCommand:
McCloughan, Baalke, Harbaugh, Singletary, Shanahan, etc.

It doesn't matter what GM or HC we have who has/shares personnel power, the same exact moneyball patterns persist.

Paraag runs this b***h.

Some of you will need another regime before you see it.

So no, Lynch isn't going anywhere. Nor should he. There's even a small chance he's promoted to, 'EVP of Football Operations' and takes over that title from Paraag. With Peters being elevated to GM. That's our ideal scenario. Faithful.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
^ This guy gets it.

It's easy to see the pattern throughout regimes and the constant through that pattern: Paraag.

Still drafting injured, high upside players based on analytics that are so far advanced that they're out of touch with reality.

Still signing guys like Verrett etc. and bargain bin shopping.

For all the analytics that guide these moves, I wanna see the output report that shows how often they are missing on these swings. By my calculations, they're missing FAR MORE than hitting.

Lynch is great as a face and voice of the franchise. And that's all he is from what I gather. A public figurehead to restore the 49ers' public image after it was dragged through the mud by Jed and our embarrassing HC carousel. I love him in that role.

Peters, as noted, is likely the chief talent guy and scout. I love him in that role. He should get the GM title before he gets a gig elsewhere.

And then there's Shanny. This is where it gets more complicated. He's really the one who's calling the shots and signing off on the personnel matters. Or at the very least, is making a stink and pushing back hard if it's something he doesn't agree with. ANd I have a feeling he then gets petty about decisions he was against and makes it a point to show to the team why their decision was a poor one. He's a great schemer, but his petulant behavior and ego likely get in the way of pushing this team forward.

TL, DR:

Paraag balances the books which drives transactions financially (which is all the Yorks care about)
Lynch is a face.
Peters is the true talent scout.
Shanahan is the final run-by and makes a stink if he's overruled.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I think what we are actually seeing is a combination of 3-4 people with major input into how this org is run. I dont think its fair to blame just one.

Parag controls the books. He's not going to let Lynch and Shanny ruin this franchise down the road by over paying any particular player they may want. He probably tells them they got this specific $$ to spend in free agency and holds Lynch to it. He's looking out for the warfare of the team down the road.

Lynch runs the day to day operations. He needs to appease Kyle and probably has final say on personnel. He has to make what Kyle wants, work with what Parag says he can spend.

Peters honestly none of us know but i think Lynch leans on him in the personnel aspect. I dont think he has final say.

Kyle is the #2 guy behind York but delegates all of the above tasks so he can concentrate on coaching duties

York stays out the way and writes checks. Prays the structure above gets the job done which for the most part has.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I think you should be banned for even making this thread and then blaming Dopeman for it.

Ban yourself for coming into a discussion board and being afraid of discussion.

Just answer the question or GTFO with your crying

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Honestly I was jk about the thread but I'm glad you created it and even framed it nicely. This reminds me of the pre-shanahan era where folks created "FIRE ____" threads every single season, and they were surprisingly entertaining threads.

And to answer your question, YES they should fire him! I think this dude is living proof that a good coaching staff can turn a tv broadcaster into a decent general manager.

I figured you were half kidding but its a legit question that is backed by your answer. There are many posters that don't like how Lynch is running the team. The point of this thread is to put those opinions out there so that we can consolidate all the "Fire Lynch or Lynch is not he problem" going on in other threads.

We can also look back later on to see who was right and who was wrong.....and of course what many live for

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Should the WZ be replaced!?

You should start another poll

Originally posted by 9erguy:
lmao at this. Grow up people and learn the art of patience. Keep things in perspective. Where were we before this current FO?

So....you're answer is No.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
Shouldn't this convo go in with the original Lynch thread?

Nah we need a thread just for receipts. No one wants to go diggin through hundreds of pages in the Lynch or hundreds of Jimmy threads for them

Originally posted by hubbyt:
No! He has helped turn the franchise around and rebuild the culture. 2 deep playoff runs to show for it. Not to mention JL had no GM experience and has been learning on the job. Who says he won't get better? I think he's been fine overall and I'm guessing he has solid connections around the league. A few misses but all GMs have those. Keep Lynch

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
Hard to fire a gm that got you to a Superbowl a two NFC championship games.

That's not good enough bro. Apparently we need someone unproven who will hopefully do better!!!

Rinse and repeat after that and then again and again.

I admire teams like the Steelers and Pats who find their guy and stick with them even after a couple down years.

With whom???

Originally posted by susweel:
Should have been fired after that first draft but then again he's just a mouthpiece for Kyle. Dude has no real power.

But then what? Replace him with another guy that won't have any power as well, only for the media to s**t on us even more than they already do lol

Originally posted by NinerTy:
With whom???

Well this thread failed. 80% no lol.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well this thread failed. 80% no lol.

Or did it? I was hoping for 99% but 80% isn't too shabby

btw what is you're answer to the question? Any thoughts?

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He means well, but he has no real power in the org. It doesn't matter if he is fired.

There's a reason that stronger GM candidates turned down this job in 2017. They didn't like the structure here. Paraag controls the cap? Can't go all in and sign big money deals? I'm sure they just walked out of the interview after that.

Credit to them, they built a good team around here after 5 years. But in my opinion, they will never go over the top and win a SB. That's just my assessment and I think Jed is fine with that. And so are most fans. Because to them, its better than being in the gutter. You can't go one second giving any real criticism about the FO without someone screaming at you about muh Chip Kelly, muh Tomsula. Well alrighty then

Yeah, fans forget the Peter King videos of Paraag running trade scenarios in the war room and calling and securing the trade back to #3 and King talking about how Paraag will be a GM soon someday. And that was year 1. That's not typical. He also runs one of the largest moneyball R&D departments too. They aren't just hanging out. Nobody really knows his actual power title or full role but he clearly has some serious pull in title alone and "influence."

Name another "cap guy" who has a title of, EVP of Football Outsiders and who is active in a war room on draft day.

The moneyball (win the contracts) patterns have remained consistent throughout multiple regimes now going back to Bill Walsh. That's not a coincidence.

And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.