Should John Lynch be replaced as GM?

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well this thread failed. 80% no lol.

Or did it? I was hoping for 99% but 80% isn't too shabby

btw what is you're answer to the question? Any thoughts?

Same 20% who voted against Shanny in his thread so it's the usual suspects in the WZ.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, fans forget the Peter King videos of Paraag running trade scenarios in the war room and calling and securing the trade back to #3 and King talking about how Paraag will be a GM soon someday. And that was year 1. That's not typical. He also runs one of the largest moneyball R&D departments too. They aren't just hanging out. Nobody really knows his actual power title or full role but he clearly has some serious pull in title alone and "influence."

Name another "cap guy" who has a title of, EVP of Football Outsiders and who is active in a war room on draft day.

The moneyball (win the contracts) patterns have remained consistent throughout multiple regimes now going back to Bill Walsh. That's not a coincidence.

And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

I think you' on the money NC. We've had the same approach going back to the Nolan days. The main reason it's worked lately is because we've been able to hit on draft picks and UDFA.

Also, the reason it worked shortly during the Harbaalke era, due to their amazing 2011 draft.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Same 20% who voted against Shanny in his thread so it's the usual suspects in the WZ.

True lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well this thread failed. 80% no lol.

Or did it? I was hoping for 99% but 80% isn't too shabby

btw what is you're answer to the question? Any thoughts?

Nothing? Alright moving on...

Originally posted by NCommand:
And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

Lynch doesn't see Paraag as an issue; he sees him as an asset - one that he and Shanahan have overruled when it suited them.

Paraag conspiracy theories lmao. It's what the webzone defaults to, makes you wonder as to why.

In any case Paraag has been instrumental in helping us maintain good cap standing through the years. He is a good asset to this franchise, we just needed the missing GM and HC pieces which we now have in Kyle and John.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by susweel:

Should have been fired after that first draft but then again he's just a mouthpiece for Kyle. Dude has no real power.

But then what? Replace him with another guy that won't have any power as well, only for the media to s**t on us even more than they already do lol

Yeah doesn't really matter cuz Jed runs the team through paraag.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
He means well, but he has no real power in the org. It doesn't matter if he is fired.

There's a reason that stronger GM candidates turned down this job in 2017. They didn't like the structure here. Paraag controls the cap? Can't go all in and sign big money deals? I'm sure they just walked out of the interview after that.

Credit to them, they built a good team around here after 5 years. But in my opinion, they will never go over the top and win a SB. That's just my assessment and I think Jed is fine with that. And so are most fans. Because to them, its better than being in the gutter. You can't go one second giving any real criticism about the FO without someone screaming at you about muh Chip Kelly, muh Tomsula. Well alrighty then

Yeah, fans forget the Peter King videos of Paraag running trade scenarios in the war room and calling and securing the trade back to #3 and King talking about how Paraag will be a GM soon someday. And that was year 1. That's not typical. He also runs one of the largest moneyball R&D departments too. They aren't just hanging out. Nobody really knows his actual power title or full role but he clearly has some serious pull in title alone and "influence."

Name another "cap guy" who has a title of, EVP of Football Outsiders and who is active in a war room on draft day.

The moneyball (win the contracts) patterns have remained consistent throughout multiple regimes now going back to Bill Walsh. That's not a coincidence.

And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

Yep

EVP of Football Operations

He has more power than the GM. He helped hire the GM and the HC. He answers only to Jed. We all should remember that.

Haha. You're the only one who got the joke too: moneyball = research and development = football outsiders

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by NCommand:
And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

Lynch doesn't see Paraag as an issue; he sees him as an asset - one that he and Shanahan have overruled when it suited them.

That's cool if you think so.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, fans forget the Peter King videos of Paraag running trade scenarios in the war room and calling and securing the trade back to #3 and King talking about how Paraag will be a GM soon someday. And that was year 1. That's not typical. He also runs one of the largest moneyball R&D departments too. They aren't just hanging out. Nobody really knows his actual power title or full role but he clearly has some serious pull in title alone and "influence."

Name another "cap guy" who has a title of, EVP of Football Outsiders and who is active in a war room on draft day.

The moneyball (win the contracts) patterns have remained consistent throughout multiple regimes now going back to Bill Walsh. That's not a coincidence.

And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

I think you' on the money NC. We've had the same approach going back to the Nolan days. The main reason it's worked lately is because we've been able to hit on draft picks and UDFA.

Also, the reason it worked shortly during the Harbaalke era, due to their amazing 2011 draft.

Yup.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, fans forget the Peter King videos of Paraag running trade scenarios in the war room and calling and securing the trade back to #3 and King talking about how Paraag will be a GM soon someday. And that was year 1. That's not typical. He also runs one of the largest moneyball R&D departments too. They aren't just hanging out. Nobody really knows his actual power title or full role but he clearly has some serious pull in title alone and "influence."

Name another "cap guy" who has a title of, EVP of Football Outsiders and who is active in a war room on draft day.

The moneyball (win the contracts) patterns have remained consistent throughout multiple regimes now going back to Bill Walsh. That's not a coincidence.

And Lynch knew this issue coming into for interviews too. It's wildly known in league circles...just not within our own fans, oddly.

I think you' on the money NC. We've had the same approach going back to the Nolan days. The main reason it's worked lately is because we've been able to hit on draft picks and UDFA.

Also, the reason it worked shortly during the Harbaalke era, due to their amazing 2011 draft.

Yup.

oh wow big surprise it only works when we have a functioning coaching staff and FO. color me shocked

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Well this thread failed. 80% no lol.

Or did it? I was hoping for 99% but 80% isn't too shabby

btw what is you're answer to the question? Any thoughts?

Nothing? Alright moving on...

I thought it was pretty obvious where I stood on this

Lynch and Kyle have built a heck of a roster while being given very little talent to start with. They have also created a winning culture here. Most teams would've just folded under the expectations of last year, all the injuries, and the poor start.

And if we want to fire Lynch, everyone else needs to be fired. Lynch can't be the scapegoat here. Paraag, Kyle, Peters, Lynch, they all work together. Lynch definitely doesn't have the same power as a lot of other GMs in the league.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I thought it was pretty obvious where I stood on this

Lynch and Kyle have built a heck of a roster while being given very little talent to start with. They have also created a winning culture here. Most teams would've just folded under the expectations of last year, all the injuries, and the poor start.

And if we want to fire Lynch, everyone else needs to be fired. Lynch can't be the scapegoat here. Paraag, Kyle, Peters, Lynch, they all work together. Lynch definitely doesn't have the same power as a lot of other GMs in the league.

And this is why firing Lynch would be nothing more than a PR move. It would have no effect on the day to day operations. If you want to make a splash / generate a headline, you fire Lynch. If you want to change the team building philosophy, you fire the other people you named...those who wield actual power.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I thought it was pretty obvious where I stood on this

Lynch and Kyle have built a heck of a roster while being given very little talent to start with. They have also created a winning culture here. Most teams would've just folded under the expectations of last year, all the injuries, and the poor start.

And if we want to fire Lynch, everyone else needs to be fired. Lynch can't be the scapegoat here. Paraag, Kyle, Peters, Lynch, they all work together. Lynch definitely doesn't have the same power as a lot of other GMs in the league.

Right on, I agree.

Originally posted by Polkadots:
And this is why firing Lynch would be nothing more than a PR move. It would have no effect on the day to day operations. If you want to make a splash / generate a headline, you fire Lynch. If you want to change the team building philosophy, you fire the other people you named...those who wield actual power.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Right on, I agree.