Drake Jackson-DE-USC, 2nd Round 2022 Draft

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:
The last 2 weeks have shown why the context of those week 1 sacks mattered. Those types of low-quality sacks aren't sustainable and can't be relied upon. Drake is still struggling to win his one-on-ones. That's where the biggest growth will occur. I will note that continues to play with incredible effort, which is a testament to the strength and conditioning work he put in the offseason. He should be able to capitalize on clean up/effort opportunities if he maintains that type of effort. Let's hope he doesn't fade as the season goes on.

This is why I've been harping on Ferrell so much. I see exactly what you're seeing Drake, and I think we're looking at an all-time defense if we can get pressure from that other DE spot. So far, Drake and Ferrell are not replacing what we had with Ebukam, Omenihu, or even Arden Key inside.

Not yet. But overall the play is better due to the addition of Hargrave. I never expected Ferrell to win 1 on 1s much. Jackson, I do expect to come around eventually because he has the skillset. As gung ho as I've been about the draft, an edge rusher who can do just that might be in the cards or maybe we make a trade for another Omenihu type.

It's not like Key. Ebukam. Willis or Omenihu won on the outside 1 v 1 a ton. Key and Omenihu won most their match ups on the inside. Ebukam was just above average. I agree they need more outside pass rush help. And it's looking like Drake hasn't taken that next step. Been calling for them to sign a vet DE but they didn't.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:
The last 2 weeks have shown why the context of those week 1 sacks mattered. Those types of low-quality sacks aren't sustainable and can't be relied upon. Drake is still struggling to win his one-on-ones. That's where the biggest growth will occur. I will note that continues to play with incredible effort, which is a testament to the strength and conditioning work he put in the offseason. He should be able to capitalize on clean up/effort opportunities if he maintains that type of effort. Let's hope he doesn't fade as the season goes on.

This is why I've been harping on Ferrell so much. I see exactly what you're seeing Drake, and I think we're looking at an all-time defense if we can get pressure from that other DE spot. So far, Drake and Ferrell are not replacing what we had with Ebukam, Omenihu, or even Arden Key inside.

Not yet. But overall the play is better due to the addition of Hargrave. I never expected Ferrell to win 1 on 1s much. Jackson, I do expect to come around eventually because he has the skillset. As gung ho as I've been about the draft, an edge rusher who can do just that might be in the cards or maybe we make a trade for another Omenihu type.

It seems like Ferrel has been closer to getting to the QB and Drake these past 2 games has been invisible. Bosa hasn't been his super self yet either though. Maybe when he starts clicking the other two can start winning their one on ones.

Lombardi had the pressure charts on today, filtered by difficulty.... Drake is in a good spot facing more difficulty they most and is still tracking as an above average DE.

Whoever is doing the tracking has Drake facing more difficulty then Bosa, in part due to not getting to rush the blindside....Bosa BTW has really picked it up and I think is tracking as the number 2 DE in the league in pressure.

I think in total the 49ers have 3 DTs and 3 DEs charting above average in production....then you have to factor in circumstances. Teams have one game plan against the 49ers get rid of the ball AS QUICKLY as possible and chip block the outside guys. Drake is getting doubled more then I expected for sure...that shocked me he is getting that kind of respect.... That should in theory really hurt the 49ers pass rushers, so they are doing a heck of a job.

I don't think the pass rush is exactly the historic level we all expected (yet), but teams are clearly game planning the heck out of it too

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Lombardi had the pressure charts on today, filtered by difficulty.... Drake is in a good spot facing more difficulty they most and is still tracking as an above average DE.

Whoever is doing the tracking has Drake facing more difficulty then Bosa, in part due to not getting to rush the blindside....Bosa BTW has really picked it up and I think is tracking as the number 2 DE in the league in pressure.

I think in total the 49ers have 3 DTs and 3 DEs charting above average in production....then you have to factor in circumstances. Teams have one game plan against the 49ers get rid of the ball AS QUICKLY as possible and chip block the outside guys. Drake is getting doubled more then I expected for sure...that shocked me he is getting that kind of respect.... That should in theory really hurt the 49ers pass rushers, so they are doing a heck of a job.

I don't think the pass rush is exactly the historic level we all expected (yet), but teams are clearly game planning the heck out of it too

I'm curious as to how Phily's numbers from last year looked on terms of pressure rate, difficulty, average tome QBs hold the ball,etc. I also think one element we are missing is the outside speed. Basically we need that Von Miller/Dee Ford element. Drake Jackson is the most athletic of our healthy edge rushers, but he isn't at that level.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
Lombardi had the pressure charts on today, filtered by difficulty.... Drake is in a good spot facing more difficulty they most and is still tracking as an above average DE.

Whoever is doing the tracking has Drake facing more difficulty then Bosa, in part due to not getting to rush the blindside....Bosa BTW has really picked it up and I think is tracking as the number 2 DE in the league in pressure.

I think in total the 49ers have 3 DTs and 3 DEs charting above average in production....then you have to factor in circumstances. Teams have one game plan against the 49ers get rid of the ball AS QUICKLY as possible and chip block the outside guys. Drake is getting doubled more then I expected for sure...that shocked me he is getting that kind of respect.... That should in theory really hurt the 49ers pass rushers, so they are doing a heck of a job.

I don't think the pass rush is exactly the historic level we all expected (yet), but teams are clearly game planning the heck out of it too

I'm curious as to how Phily's numbers from last year looked on terms of pressure rate, difficulty, average tome QBs hold the ball,etc. I also think one element we are missing is the outside speed. Basically we need that Von Miller/Dee Ford element. Drake Jackson is the most athletic of our healthy edge rushers, but he isn't at that level.

could not agree more

I don't know where they get these numbers from.... but Lombardi was using a 2 axis graph...I think the x asis was actual production- hurries-hits-sacks maybe....... and y axis was difficulty- protection-time to throw-quality of blockers maybe.....

I say maybe cause I don't actually know

Drake has been solid, but yeah amigo.....the eyeball test tells us we are not getting Dee Ford level impact on from him.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Best/Worst PFF pass-rush win rates this season for 2022 draft class edge players (min. 45 rushes)

1. Aidan Hutchinson (21%)
2. Boye Mafe (19%)
3. Drake Jackson (17%)

T-9. Jermaine Johnson (6%)
T-9. Kingsley Enagbare (6%)
11. David Ojabo (4%)
12. Kayvon Thibodeaux (3%) !?!?

— Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) September 29, 2023

I likeeeeeeeeee. Very niceeeeeeeee

DRAKE gettin his 6th sack this game.. he gettin it !! he gettin it !!

I think Nick Bosa constantly bouncing between the left and right side is affecting Drake's ability to get in a groove with his technique. Most players aren't capable nor comfortable playing both sides. Geoff Schwartz described it as whiping his ass with the opposite hand when he had to flip sides.

Maybe it helps Drake in the long run, but it doesn't appear to be at the moment.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think Nick Bosa constantly bouncing between the left and right side is affecting Drake's ability to get in a groove with his technique. Most players aren't capable nor comfortable playing both sides. Geoff Schwartz described it as whiping his ass with the opposite hand when he had to flip sides.

Maybe it helps Drake in the long run, but it doesn't appear to be at the moment.

Could be.....heck probably has some effect......

but

It is nick Bosa.....you kinda gotta let him do his thing..... even if it does hurt Drake

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think Nick Bosa constantly bouncing between the left and right side is affecting Drake's ability to get in a groove with his technique. Most players aren't capable nor comfortable playing both sides. Geoff Schwartz described it as whiping his ass with the opposite hand when he had to flip sides.

Maybe it helps Drake in the long run, but it doesn't appear to be at the moment.

I think not giving the D line time to rush is the issue. With the win rate we have, we should have like 16 sacks as a team.

OL is getting beat, but they can get the ball out to their receivers.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think Nick Bosa constantly bouncing between the left and right side is affecting Drake's ability to get in a groove with his technique. Most players aren't capable nor comfortable playing both sides. Geoff Schwartz described it as whiping his ass with the opposite hand when he had to flip sides.

Maybe it helps Drake in the long run, but it doesn't appear to be at the moment.

I think not giving the D line time to rush is the issue. With the win rate we have, we should have like 16 sacks as a team.

OL is getting beat, but they can get the ball out to their receivers.

Our zone coverages are pretty frikkin soft, or at least looks that way. Even when Bosa or Hargrave get a straight shot at the QB he just flicks it out to the closest WR cause the DB is 5 yards away and still in their backpeddle.

Wilks plays this bend dont break concept but we dont have consistent DBs so the opposing offense walks down the field half the time and we are one Thomas/Lenoir blown assignment away from an easy TD. Reminds me of the Manusky "bend dont break" days but we had a little more consistency on the back end back then but a crappier team with Roman...

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think not giving the D line time to rush is the issue. With the win rate we have, we should have like 16 sacks as a team.

OL is getting beat, but they can get the ball out to their receivers.

100% what it is

He continues to play really well.