49ers select Spencer Burford-OT/OG-UTSA, 4th Round 2022 Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

After last year I trust this front office. Let's not forget we went to the NFCCG in 2021 with Tom Compton as our RT and we should've won a SB had Tartt not dropped a punt ball.

We may not have been the Eagles OL but they played pretty well, especially as they got more experience. Hopefully all the guys who were new starters improve and look even better next to each other. McKivitz has the confidence of the coaching staff and I think he'll be fine, perhaps better than fine.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

He had a 49.6 overall PFF grade. Foerster said he hoped he'd take the RG spot but never did.

That doesn't mean he's below average talent. It was just his rookie baseline year.

I can see why LifelongNiner thinks this could be the most talented OL we've seen here from LT to RG, collectively, over the past 7 years.

Colton is a massive wild card here.

Could it collectively become an elite unit come playoff time? That'll always be the question for me.

Right now I'd say, no. They aren't likely to stiffle a DL that racks up 70 sacks and are more likely to give up a 50% pressure rate.

Is there a possible path to that? Quite possibly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

He had a 49.6 overall PFF grade. Foerster said he hoped he'd take the RG spot but never did.

That doesn't mean he's below average talent. It was just his rookie baseline year.

I can see why LifelongNiner thinks this could be the most talented OL we've seen here from LT to RG, collectively, over the past 7 years.

Colton is a massive wild card here.

Could it collectively become an elite unit come playoff time? That'll always be the question for me.

Right now I'd say, no. They aren't likely to stiffle a DL that racks up 70 sacks and are more likely to give up a 50% pressure rate.

Is there a possible path to that? Quite possibly.

PFF scores don't tell the whole story. He played much better than that score indicates.

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

He had a 49.6 overall PFF grade. Foerster said he hoped he'd take the RG spot but never did.

That doesn't mean he's below average talent. It was just his rookie baseline year.

I can see why LifelongNiner thinks this could be the most talented OL we've seen here from LT to RG, collectively, over the past 7 years.

Colton is a massive wild card here.

Could it collectively become an elite unit come playoff time? That'll always be the question for me.

Right now I'd say, no. They aren't likely to stiffle a DL that racks up 70 sacks and are more likely to give up a 50% pressure rate.

Is there a possible path to that? Quite possibly.

PFF scores don't tell the whole story. He played much better than that score indicates.

In spurts he did. But he wasn't consistent. That's something Foerster himself noted. Listen to him if you don't subscribe to PFF:



It does sound like he's come in this off season and is a whole new man. Now that's got to translate to the field and show in consistency for 20 straight games.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

He had a 49.6 overall PFF grade. Foerster said he hoped he'd take the RG spot but never did.

That doesn't mean he's below average talent. It was just his rookie baseline year.

I can see why LifelongNiner thinks this could be the most talented OL we've seen here from LT to RG, collectively, over the past 7 years.

Colton is a massive wild card here.

Could it collectively become an elite unit come playoff time? That'll always be the question for me.

Right now I'd say, no. They aren't likely to stiffle a DL that racks up 70 sacks and are more likely to give up a 50% pressure rate.

Is there a possible path to that? Quite possibly.

PFF scores don't tell the whole story. He played much better than that score indicates.

In spurts he did. But he wasn't consistent. That's something Foerster himself noted. Listen to him if you don't subscribe to PFF:



It does sound like he's come in this off season and is a whole new man. Now that's got to translate to the field and show in consistency for 20 straight games.

Yah talk is cheap. Writers and coaches rarely say anything really bad about players in camp. It's mostly praise about how good they look. That's fine when it's only practice but games are the only thing that count.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think I get what you meant, but I'd argue this is the most talented O-line. The weal links aren't weak links to the point of where they had been in previous years.

I don't think he was a below avg OG last yr either. I would have loved for them to use some draft capital this yr at the OT spot. If and when Trent gets hurt we're in trouble there. Colton is pretty much a question mark as a starter too.

we will see. I have faith in our OL coach and they see these guys way more than we do.

He had a 49.6 overall PFF grade. Foerster said he hoped he'd take the RG spot but never did.

That doesn't mean he's below average talent. It was just his rookie baseline year.

I can see why LifelongNiner thinks this could be the most talented OL we've seen here from LT to RG, collectively, over the past 7 years.

Colton is a massive wild card here.

Could it collectively become an elite unit come playoff time? That'll always be the question for me.

Right now I'd say, no. They aren't likely to stiffle a DL that racks up 70 sacks and are more likely to give up a 50% pressure rate.

Is there a possible path to that? Quite possibly.

PFF scores don't tell the whole story. He played much better than that score indicates.

In spurts he did. But he wasn't consistent. That's something Foerster himself noted. Listen to him if you don't subscribe to PFF:



It does sound like he's come in this off season and is a whole new man. Now that's got to translate to the field and show in consistency for 20 straight games.

Yah talk is cheap. Writers and coaches rarely say anything really bad about players in camp. It's mostly praise about how good they look. That's fine when it's only practice but games are the only thing that count.

True. That is why I love Foerster's pressers the most though. He'll straight up say, so-and-so isn't a T, makes fun of Zakelj for poor snaps, states when Burford missed assignments, calls out Brendel for missing line calls and why, etc. The dude never shuts up and is a straight shooter with honesty and transparency. He's a must listen.

He's so honest he said, "Whatever that means" to his title of being a run coordinator last year. LOL. Love it!

You know PFF has not been kind to birdied, but I've seen some videos posted of him from the past 2 weeks and he's not been doing all that bad. I think they just have it out for him.

onnthe other hand, Banks is doing awesome.

Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
You know PFF has not been kind to birdied, but I've seen some videos posted of him from the past 2 weeks and he's not been doing all that bad. I think they just have it out for him.

onnthe other hand, Banks is doing awesome.

i like PFF for OL and Dl for pressure pressure allowed etc but grades are a joke

I agree I'm not saying he is playing pro bowl level but he is good/serviceable and is young enough that you wouldn't "look to replace" at last based on what we have seen

He's doing pretty bad it's not just pff hating on him. He's not getting any push in the run game at all. Plus he had 3 penalties in the 1st game. He needs to step it up.

We'll see how the year progresses, if he takes a 2nd year leap. Again, I'd draft a tackle (actually two) because we need not only a replacement for Trent, but we also need future depth. Need to start developing those guys now. But I'd also draft two IOL, a total of 4 rookies in 2024.

We'll be rebuilding depth, developing future possible starters just in case Burford has peaked as a player. Now that we have 5 serviceable guys at worst, we can build up others behind them and improve OL overall. It would be nice to get elite play out of one more guy not named Trent Williams.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We'll see how the year progresses, if he takes a 2nd year leap. Again, I'd draft a tackle (actually two) because we need not only a replacement for Trent, but we also need future depth. Need to start developing those guys now. But I'd also draft two IOL, a total of 4 rookies in 2024.

We'll be rebuilding depth, developing future possible starters just in case Burford has peaked as a player. Now that we have 5 serviceable guys at worst, we can build up others behind them and improve OL overall. It would be nice to get elite play out of one more guy not named Trent Williams.

Yeah, I'm hoping for that 2nd year leap too. So far he's done ok against the Steelers, although the 3 penalties didn't help much. Then he had to face the Ram DT's with guys named Aaron. Both games were Wins, so he's passable at minimum right now. I haven't seen either McKivitz or Burford pancake anyone, or basically hold ground in the pass protections. I see them being shed on the run, half the time, and on pass protection both of them have been pushed into the QB's face or just got beat to the edge. Still, last years OLine didn't really get traction till around the 4th or 5th game of the season. I still have hope for both of them.

DON'T understand why this guy doesn't get the love that he deserve.. I personally think he's doing a fine job, NOT great, but he's been solid since landing the position..

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We'll see how the year progresses, if he takes a 2nd year leap. Again, I'd draft a tackle (actually two) because we need not only a replacement for Trent, but we also need future depth. Need to start developing those guys now. But I'd also draft two IOL, a total of 4 rookies in 2024.

We'll be rebuilding depth, developing future possible starters just in case Burford has peaked as a player. Now that we have 5 serviceable guys at worst, we can build up others behind them and improve OL overall. It would be nice to get elite play out of one more guy not named Trent Williams.

I like this kind of party!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We'll see how the year progresses, if he takes a 2nd year leap. Again, I'd draft a tackle (actually two) because we need not only a replacement for Trent, but we also need future depth. Need to start developing those guys now. But I'd also draft two IOL, a total of 4 rookies in 2024.

We'll be rebuilding depth, developing future possible starters just in case Burford has peaked as a player. Now that we have 5 serviceable guys at worst, we can build up others behind them and improve OL overall. It would be nice to get elite play out of one more guy not named Trent Williams.

I like this kind of party!

Im looking at this team and it's almost impossible to not take this approach.

Other needs for the team:

1. A corner- 2nd round. Someone that can challenge for a starting job immediately. If Lenoir is now no. 3, we'd have a shot at no. 1 secondary. Especially playing behind this front 7.

2. A man coverage beating wide receiver- need a great route running deep threat. This isn't high priority because we have Aiyuk. Just need another guy.

3. A tight end that can block like a mad man and offer some pass catching. Someone to take the load off Kittle. If we want him to last through a 3rd contract, time to turn him into more of a Brent Jones/Travis Kelce type of tight end.

We have FIVE picks on the first two days. Of the non O-line needs, only corner is up there for me. We probably need to take a receiver in that top 5 to do what I'm asking, but other than that, yes ..3 of those picks need to be O-line assuming no trade ups.

Played a much better game last night than last week IMO, trending upwards.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Im looking at this team and it's almost impossible to not take this approach.

Other needs for the team:

1. A corner- 2nd round. Someone that can challenge for a starting job immediately. If Lenoir is now no. 3, we'd have a shot at no. 1 secondary. Especially playing behind this front 7.

2. A man coverage beating wide receiver- need a great route running deep threat. This isn't high priority because we have Aiyuk. Just need another guy.

3. A tight end that can block like a mad man and offer some pass catching. Someone to take the load off Kittle. If we want him to last through a 3rd contract, time to turn him into more of a Brent Jones/Travis Kelce type of tight end.

We have FIVE picks on the first two days. Of the non O-line needs, only corner is up there for me. We probably need to take a receiver in that top 5 to do what I'm asking, but other than that, yes ..3 of those picks need to be O-line assuming no trade ups.

Another young CB would be great, but I first want to see Luter out there.

I like the future at WR with Deebo, Aiyuk, & Bell in 2025, but we do need to draft another WR in either 2024 or 2025 when McCloud and/or Jennings may be gone.

Agreed, need a really good TE that can block, and catch, I'm hoping Latu or Willis turns into that, no one thought Kittle would be who he is now.

12 picks right now is what we have for 2024, Future LT is a huge need, depending in where we are, we need to get one to prepare for life without Trent Williams.